Westminstenders: Silly Season

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It's that time of year again when politicians seem to completely lose their marbles in order to impress the faithful. And it is beginning to feel like conference season is increasingly an exercise in religious ferver to the party rather than considering what's in the best interests of the whole country.

Labour have got off to a good start before their conference opens, by almost starting complete melt down.

The Tories have promised to break from convention and try and over shadow the others, so that's something to look forward to.

And early this week we have the supreme Court ruling which could, regardless of which direction it swings, have massive ramifications for our democracy.

Big week ahead.

Just stick a Cornetto on a Shetland pony and most of them won't notice.

Just stick a Cornetto on a Shetland pony and most of them won't notice.

^^This

What other answer is there that takes both sides of the argument, except for the revoke and no deal unicorns

I’m lost - one argument would be for revoke and other wouldn’t be for properly leaving

What do you suggest Bear? Or you still wanting that Tory No Deal?

The Eu directive states that they will not provide guarantees of recognition to U.K. citizens regardless of where they got their degree/qualification which really stinks That's stupid. Why should your nationality affect it if the qualification was obtained within an EU member state? In that case my EU qualification isn't worth 'owt, either.

What do you suggest Bear?

I suggest the make a bloody decision about what they want

I suggest the make a bloody decision about what they want

You wouldnt vote for them any way so meh [shrug]

...Get Trumpy as well and we'll bury you in Westminster Abbey.

@berlinbabylon welcome to what the rest of the world has to deal with....... NZ lawyers used to be easily able to work umm the UK - it has become harder and harder....., I am pretty sure it's the same for Dentists. Qualifications are not universal unless you have a common agreement.....

just - I would potentially if I knew what it meant - desperate times and all that

Mother asked how labour supporters could defend this current stance

The way I see it

• Corbyn is a Lexiteer

• labour have voted to negotiate a deal that has to be close to BINO to retain CU/ SM etc or Remain

So people still have no idea what a Labour vote means

Mockers Well the Rugby Club were formidable, they gave Exeter and Loughborough a run for their money and fed into the County and England U21 squad so they had a point about deserving transport, but you really really don't want to mess with netballers

This tweet explains it better

Admiral Ackbars Memoriam
@GhostofAckbar
·
1h
Labour is offering remainers

1. A rerun on a ref we lost

1. With a leave option that protects what the other leave options doesn’t

1. With foreign nats having the right to vote

1. Effectively 80/90% of Labour campaign to remain anyway even if allowed to campaign as they wish

and this

James Foster
@JamesEFoster
· 7m
People in @UKLabour who want to ‘remain’ will be able to campaign for, & vote for, remain.

People in @UKLabour who want to ‘leave’ will be able to campaign for, & vote for, leave.

The electorate will make the final decision & @UKLabour will implement it.

#Lab19 #LabConf19

So clear as mud then 🤔

Isn’t that as “whatever”? Or “do the fuck you want, then?”

Bear you must struggle in RL if your mental accuity can’t see nuance but needs to see a binary polar opposite choice so I think perhaps on this issue, it’s you not us, I think you should start seeing other people

I can totally understand why some professions are not easy to move across countries, I mean, the law system of U.K. and Italy is profoundly different and unless you prove that you understand the legal system of the country you’ve move to you could not be really a professional. I dare any British lawyer to get embroiled in an Italian court case, good luck
Similarly for tax accountants.
But for things like dentistry, medicine, architecture, engineering, geology, come on, the physics is the same, the biology is the same, now in engineering loads of codes are the same (“eurocodes”, bless them), we were in this together and U.K. companies have frankly benefitted dramatically by the fact they could attract the best from the Eu without all of the bureocracy of old times.
Ah well
Change is coming, they told me last Friday
I still need to see where’s the freaking carrot. I only see sticks...

I’m lost - one argument would be for revoke and other wouldn’t be for properly leaving

back in 2016 - when we actually voted to leave - no one was talking about jeopardising our place in the single market. Even Farage talked about Norway. Anything that gets us out of the EU is properly leaving - because that was literally all we voted to do. The idea that staying aligned to EEA/EFTA is somehow 'not properly leaving' is a shift in the overton window - not a fact.

As daft as the labour conference is at the moment - I still don't have a problem with their stance. It is the compromise option. It stays true to the spirit of the 2016 referendum and either will deliver on that or let us change our minds. It is is sensible not to promise or declare for something before you've seen that you can deliver it.

I know a lot of people are claiming not to understand it - but that's just them being daft for the sake of mocking JC, or because everything has been so dumbed down that a position that doesn't fit into a tweet is deemed ridiculously complicated. Or because politics has become so polarised and sensationalist in the past three years that compromise truly does seem baffling. Whatever the reason - none of them are good for political discourse.

And I don't say this as a JC fan. I'm not. But I have been marching and protesting for a people's vote for over two years now and I don't see why I should despair with labour now that they've promised one just because they won't adopt a full on 'remain' position. I think neutrality is fine. They're still promising those million people exactly what they marched for - unless remainers are now shifting their own overton window and saying they were marching for revoke.

Beautifully put pretzels

pretzels, poster00 I actually agree with you both

We have Tories for No Deal, LDems for Revoke without a PV ....
so imo offering a Remain vs soft Leave PV fills 2 gaps:

something that soft / moderate Leavers can vote for,
and something for those who want a PV on Brexit, because the GE will also be affected by many other issues, including party tribalism

In fact, 80% of Labour members would be campaigning for Revoke in any PV,
but at least moderate Leavers aren't being forced to choose between 2 options they hate, No deal or Revoke

I suspect Labour policy won't be popular at this coming GE with the voters, who just want simple answers & 3 -word slogans atm,

• but they might remember at the next GE that Labour were trying to offer compromise on Brexit

Leave did actually win the damn ref,
so having 2 of the 3 main UK-wide parties coming out for Revoke really could look like pissing all over the 52%