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Westminstenders: Constitutional History

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RedToothBrush · 18/09/2019 14:57

The Supreme Court case continues
(ruling possible Friday but likely Monday)

The new NI proposal is bollocks and Johnson didn't get why until it was discussed in Europe.

There was a press conference in Luxembourg which looks good for Johnson.

Johnsons approval ratings are up.

And we are making no obvious progress to anything but no deal...

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CendrillonSings · 21/09/2019 13:34

The Tory party have given Labour as near to an open goal as they will ever get. Yet the Labour Party are busy hacking each other in the shins and locking team members in the changing rooms.

Today’s developments are so wacky it’s more like headbutting the goalpost and eating their own boots...

thecatfromjapan · 21/09/2019 13:44

TheMSjip That's appalling.

tobee · 21/09/2019 13:45

That's disgusting re Jo Maugham. Wtf is happening in society???

tobee · 21/09/2019 13:58

So, reading further tweets from Jo Maugham, it seems to be the Mail on Sunday are saying it's in the public interest, because Jo Maugham owns an expensive house.

ListeningQuietly · 21/09/2019 13:59

Trying to remember where I am so shall mark place

Emilyontmoor · 21/09/2019 14:09

So Mail on Sundays readers are not aware that QCs tend to live in expensive houses, especially ones that specialise in tax litigation Hmm Doesn’t he now spend most of his time working pro bono as well?

TheNumberfaker · 21/09/2019 14:19

I don’t agree with absolutely everything that JM tweets (specifically about trans issues) but he is an absolute hero for all that he’s doing and has done to prevent no-deal and to get the revoke situation clarified. Hopefully the public will come to their senses soon about how disgusting some of the media are being!

PerkingFaintly · 21/09/2019 14:21

That's absolutely appalling re the Mail on Sunday and Jo Maugham.

Why have they notified him? Are they hoping he'll stop them, and then they can get a second bite at the cherry by running a piece about scaredy cat Enemies of The People™ abusing the courts to hide from the righteous wrath of the people?

Or are they genuinely hoping some of the unhinged will turn up and attack his house?

thecatfromjapan · 21/09/2019 14:22

It's a mystery to me that there aren't protests outside the Mail and MoS offices.

Their role in this ongoing catastrophe has been enormous and malign. But they, truly, seem to slide from accountability.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2019 14:23

A national newspaper is publishing the address of someone it considers "an enemy"

At best, that can only be an attempt to intimidate;
the worst - that they are trying to incite something - doesn't bear thinking about

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2019 14:25

Oh and I thoroughly appreciate @redtoothbrush "sticking her neck out"
and giving her analyses of the turbulent times we are having
💐🤛🏼🤛🏼

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2019 14:31

Brexit: a strategy to fail?

RNorth today posts pretty much what I've been thinking ever since BJ became PM.
WHY this nonsense talking up a new deal* - is it incompetence or enemy action ?*

imo, both:
BJ, Raab and several others in govt are disgracefully ignorant about the EU, WTO & our international trade etc
BUT
imo, there are a tiny handful behind the scenes who are deliberately orchestrating No Deal AND to blame the EU for it all

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87369

it really does begin to look as if the UK government is adopting a strategy which is deliberately intended to fail.

Obviously, the very last thing it would do would be to admit it,

but having the Brexit secretary being threatening and uncompromising in his recent speech,
and then submitting totally unacceptable proposals,
with the ludicrous "secrecy" caveat,
would seem to fit in with such a strategy.

At the same time, one might expect the UK side to be constantly talking up the "progress" in the talks,
claiming that a resolution is close,
leaving the EU to the downbeat denials.
And that is also what seems to be happening.

While all we're getting is chirpy statements from London,
it is left to EU officials to criticise British proposals, making the EU out to be the obstacle to any deal.

Thus, predictably, UK government officials are denying that they have not put forward serious proposals.
"The ideas that we've put forward to avoid a hard border are serious and workable",
one official said, adding that "leaks from Brussels on Twitter are par for the course. You can set your watch by them".

The officials can keep this up for ever,
while Johnson can talk up the mythical "progress",
right to the point where any talks collapse and the UK comes crashing out of the EU without a deal
precisely the outcome that is being sought by the his administration.^

PerkingFaintly · 21/09/2019 14:34

Has RNorth only just graped this?

Didn't Westminstenders twig this a couple of weeks ago?

PerkingFaintly · 21/09/2019 14:36

grasped this

Though North may have graped it too. Erm, not sure I want to think what that might be...

Motheroffourdragons · 21/09/2019 14:39

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thecatfromjapan · 21/09/2019 14:53

I appreciate Red too. 💐

tobee · 21/09/2019 15:02

Re the RNorth stuff (obviously people on here did state this ages ago) all that matters to Cummings is that a certain group of people get the message about "bad EU" and it doesn't matter that it's as plain as day to the rest of us.

dontcallmelen · 21/09/2019 16:06

tobee yy so simple yet so effective isn’t it😡
As for the MOS I don’t have enough expletives for those shysters & what they peddle truly disgusting behaviour.

pamperramper · 21/09/2019 16:37

Random info - JM's dad wrote the first Winnie the Pooh sequel since AA Milne.

kingsassassin · 21/09/2019 16:44

What I don't get about the wish for no deal - I assume some people will make a lot of money out of it, but if yellowhammer is even halfway accurate, they will need to do a deal very very quickly.

If things go really bad, however much the EU is blamed BJ etc could be overthrown pdq; money will be harder to get out; less credit generally - I can see very short term gains but longer term disaster even for vulture capitalists. What am I missing?

Mistigri · 21/09/2019 17:01

The 35 hour week wasn't a success in France.

What is your criteria for it being a success? Productivity is much higher in France than U.K. despite shorter working hours.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2019 17:07

We've discussed a lot here about how much is stupidity in govt
and how much is deliberate No Deal for ideology & profit

Imo, BJ, DD, Raab and MPs like Bridgen belong to the wholly stupid side, in that they think the EU will roll over at the 59th minute and give us a cake deal,
whereas Cummings, JRM, Patel & a few others know exactly what they are doing and intend No Deal

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2019 17:08

'The men who plundered Europe': bankers on trial for siphoning €60bn

Even with Brexit, this should have had far more publicity in the UK
Noone likes City crooks
Has it been deliberately been downplayed ? Hmm
There have been a lot of non-Brexit stories over the last months, so it's not as if there's no room for anything else

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/20/the-men-who-plundered-europe-city-of-london-practices-on-trial-in-bonn

They have been called “the men who plundered Europe”:
a group of cowboy traders, seasoned tax lawyers and mathematical whizz kids
who are alleged to have conspired in the heart of the City of London
to siphon at least €60bn in taxpayers’ money from the state coffers of several EU countries.^
........
But in continental Europe what Le Monde has described as the “robbery of the century” has done almost as much to shape the view of Britain as Brexit itself.

Dutch media has called it “organised crime in pinstripe suits”
and one of the original German whistleblowers saying he now welcomes Britain’s exit from the EU
in the hope it could weaken the influence of London investment banking on European financial institutions

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2019 17:11

Yep, France has higher productivity than the UK

So does Germany, about 20% higher, with an average contracted work week of 35 or 37 hours

  • and without the stressful UK culture of presenteeism or unpaid overtime
AuldAlliance · 21/09/2019 17:42

I sent an official complaint by email to the MoS to say that I thought their plans to publish JM's personal address were scandalous. Got this back pdq:

Dear Madam,
You have been misinformed. The Mail on Sunday has no such plans.
Regards
John Wellington

He wrote it himself, apparently, of an idle Saturday afternoon... Wink

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