How will your life be better after Brexit?

[BertrandRussell]

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The NHS is not at risk because people miss appts. It is not a good thing to happen, but to keep repeating this as though it is a reason we don’t deserve a good health service is a fallacy and deliberate diversion from proper arguments

Blackberries blackberries... yet more diversion from real arguments

Honestly, and they go on about remainers being “liberal elites”! “People can eat blackberries” is just another version of “let them eat cake”

I asked this in my town's Facebook group (full of leavers).

The only answers I got were:

• because our children and grandchildren will be conscripted into an EU army at 18, if we stay, apparently

• because UK industry large and small will be revived with less competition from Europe, apparently (they were hoping for the British Steel industry to recover)

• because there would be more jobs if fewer immigrants here

• because prices went up when we joined the EU e.g. butter - so food prices will come down now

All the above based on woeful lack of understanding of the economy / reality

Jasjas1973 - Rhubarb à vegetable ? Well I've learnt something today.

mamamia - since you feel strongly about how we need to appreciate the NHS start a thread on what we can do to show our our support.

The only real connection to Brexit was Johnson's lie on the bus suggesting that the money sent to the EU could be spent on the NHS. He could have course said 'Let's cancel tax cuts for the wealthy and spend it on our NHS', or 'Let's cancel Trident and spend it on the NHS', but he didn't.

So to sum up so far.
One poster is mildly optimistic about entrepreneurial opportunities in new markets. (Markets which, if I understand correctly have always been open)
We will be forced to cut food waste and use seasonal fruit and vegetables. I’d like to add rabbit to this- I don’t understand why we don’t eat rabbit in this country)
For some reason I haven’t yet grasped, we won’t miss so many hospital appointments.
We will get more langoustine. Until we’ve fished them all out.

And we might have more food banks, but they'd only offer red herrings...

We eat rabbit a few times a year when I see my brother (he shoots them). It’s lovely but I think I could cope with it remaining less popular because there are no food shortages

For some reason I haven’t yet grasped, we won’t miss so many hospital appointments.

They should have put that on the side of the bus.

Mama can you not explain your reasoning behind this - and was this something you felt strongly about when you voted or is it a new 'benefit'?

Re. Rabbit. Apparently, this has no nutritional value whatsoever. I can't believe it myself.

The food banks will be brilliant.

Love a food bank. Sign of prosperity to me.

“And we might have more food banks, but they'd only offer red herrings...“

Oh, and I can make a fortune because I am one of the few remaining people in the U.K. who knows how to preserve and bottle things.

From the BBC - Top retailers are holding what some describe as "clear-the-air" talks with government after a recent row over the impact of no-deal Brexit on the supply of fresh food in particular.

The meeting is the result of a demand from some chief executives to meet the prime minister.

Earlier this month, Michael Gove, his minister in charge of no-deal preparations, told the BBC: "Everyone will have the food they need" and "no, there will be no shortages of fresh food."

That last point was condemned immediately by the industry group, the British Retail Consortium, as "categorically untrue".

Indeed, the government's internal Yellowhammer no-deal document from last month, obliged to be published by the Commons before it was suspended, clearly states its reasonable worst-case planning assumption that "certain types of fresh food supply will decrease".

There are two different meetings this afternoon with Mr Gove and a separate scheduled meeting with top civil servants, all occurring today and attended by various top retail and food chiefs from Tesco, Sainsbury's, Co-op and John Lewis, among others.

Retailers have told me they are deeply wary that they are now on the end of a no-deal Brexit blame game from the Boris Johnson government, as it claims to be ready for no-deal and says the French government is ready.

The message in some meetings is that the only factor that will cause disruption, tailbacks and delays is, therefore, a lack of preparedness from traders, hauliers and businesses.

This has depleted levels of trust between a vital sector and the government at a tense time. Retailers report that despite some improvement in the predicted rate of flow of freight traffic across the Channel in a no-deal Brexit, the timing of Brexit Day comes at the worst possible time, with warehouses full of Christmas stock and the UK at peak dependence on European imports for fresh produce.

One top retailer told me that whereas it had more than four weeks of supply in warehouses for the original March Brexit date, its current supplies are between nine and 14 days.

Hersymphony - I didn't say it was the reason it was under risk, but it certainly adds to the strain, and the millions wasted could be more usefully spent.

I can’t think of any positives. My DH is being treated for cancer. Every NHS doctor he sees is an EU national. What happens if they all go “home”, let alone drug shortages? There’s already treatment delays due to staffing issues.

If you hold shares in over seas companies, and sell you will clean up because the pound will crash. So for example the Bank of England guesses a 25 percent drop as base case. Not worst case. So if you sell in dollars and transfer it back to pounds, you will get 25 percent more, and then when rhe pound rises again, you are quids in.

So if you play the stock markets, it would line your pockets.

Anyone want to come on one of my workshops? My bottled plums are lovely.

I'll come along to one where we learn to make moonshine to soak the plums in .

I didn't say blackberries grew in the winter, but you can freeze them to use in the winter months, or am I the only one on here who does that?

Oh, god, Mama, why on EARTH didn't anyone think of that? Since everyone has such vast amounts of freezer space in their pokey flats they're paying the robber baron landlord a king's ransom for every month? What a load of stupid people! They could have been feeding a family of 4 with fucking blackberries and a MN chicken, no need to patronise all those Aldis on every corner.

Oh yes- I forgot disaster capitalism.

“I didn't say it was the reason it was under risk, but it certainly adds to the strain, and the millions wasted could be more usefully spent.”

Fine, so we are in agreement. Why do you keep referencing it in terms of brexit? Is it to distract everyone from proper arguments?

BTW as well as the obvious issue with there not being enough blackberries to feed the nation, relying on freezing them might be an issue since we won't be able to power balance with the EU any more. The brown- and blackouts may mean no freezing reliably.

I have blackberry jam, in vodka, frozen and eaten them this year. I am under no illusions that this is the answer to no deal Brexit.

I must have missed something, so can someone explain how being in the EU stops people picking blackberries, and how leaving the EU will assist in blackberry harvesting?

Or is it just another in a long line of really really poor arguments from people who will say anything to avoid admitting that they just don't like foreigners?

Mana
I didn't say blackberries grew in the winter, but you can freeze them to use in the winter months, or am I the only one on here who does that?

'fraid you did, i asked you specifically what fruit grew in winter in the UK and you replied.......

Apples, pears, blackberries, raspberries, plums, rhubarb etc

My grandparents were fruit and flower growers in Cornwall, its very hard work and they like all the other growers in the Tamar Valley packed it in because they couldn't compete with growers in sunnier climates.

They used to bottle fruit in kilner jars and winter was warmed up with plum and apple crumbles, still got them.

@BertrandRussell I'd love some top tips on bottling plums. I'm about to plant a sacrificial plum tree to grow my greengage so I'm going to have lots of extra plums when they get going.
And I both grow early blackberries at home (June!) and forage for normal blackberries elsewhere, so blackberry bottling tips would be good.
I do freeze some but my freezer gets full, plus I like the sound of bottling then and drinking the juice at the end

On a related note foraged blackberries, and probably garden ones too, are always full of maggots. What do people do about this?
Maybe one advantage of Brexit is we'll be able to use those nasty bee killing pesticides again to get rid of the maggots? Bees can breed and thrive in Europe then fly over the Channel to fertilise our fruit before dying over our land mass. Fewer bee stings is another benefit.

On a related note foraged blackberries, and probably garden ones too, are always full of maggots. What do people do about this?

Free protein! See, a dietary improvement due to Brexit

Jasjas1973 - No, if you look at my previous post before the one to you, I said in autumn and winter which was in response to Mistigri who said that no fruit is grown in this country for 6 months of the year.

Of course I know that blackberries don't grow in winter, I pick them!

The Elementsong - You must be picking the wrong ones then.