How will your life be better after Brexit?

[BertrandRussell]

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UK seasonality chart (from www.lovebritishfood.co.uk/british-food-and-drinks/whats-in-season-when)

Weren't January and February known as the Hungry months - most of the preserved food had already been eaten and the new season's crops were not yet ready.

Oh how wonderful to look forward to this!

Life won't change (in all likelihood) a great deal for me and my family. My DH and I have differing opinions on Brexit though as he voted to leave, I didn't.
I don't think leaving will be as catastrophic as some are anticipating but at the same time it's not shaping up to be the amazing opportunity touted at the time.

One good thing to come out of this is that some people previously disinterested in politics have become more politically aware.

I think the version of Patsy's book which DM had was Patsy's Christmas Reflections, but was still a basic cookery book.

Oh my family legacy is of being rounded up and put in gas chambers, so I do get worked up by the prospect of no deal brexit as do many other people I know.

But hey, everyone's different, aren't they.

And I am very sorry about that, but I don't like the implication that my reaction is wrong, because it isn't. Yours isn't wrong either.

At the end of the day no one actually knows the precise outcome of no deal brexit. The yellowhammer papers predict a certain level of chaos, both economic and societal. They do not predict societal collapse.

BunchMunch pretty much sums up exactly how I feel about it!

“At the end of the day no one actually knows the precise outcome of no deal brexit. The yellowhammer papers predict a certain level of chaos, both economic and societal. They do not predict societal collapse.”

That’s as may be, but we have a clear indication of an increasingly hardline right-wing authoritarian government, and history tells us how “a certain level of chaos” can be taken advantage of by such governments. It’s not a bad idea to be wary. My MIL has refused to identify herself on documentation as Jewish for many years, and I can understand why.

we have a clear indication of an increasingly hardline right-wing authoritarian government

You don't need to tell me that, I have lived under one.

Père get- Where did I say I was being forced to buy them? My post about fruit was to Mistigri who thinks that no fruit is grown in the UK for 6 months of the year which just isn't true.

This is mean, but I am looking forward to a food shortage upsetting my Brexiteer ex manager as she eats all day long and will be in tears if she has to diet. She is very nasty and two faced so I will greatly enjoy being right and seeing her hungry.

Other than that extremely petty benefit I don't see any others.

That was meant to say Peregrina, don't know why it was changed to that.

“You don't need to tell me that, I have lived under one.”

Ok, so... the rest of my comment follows appropriately then

Well i don't think my life will get any better

"Society probably won't collapse" is an example of how life will get better after Brexit?

“They do not predict societal collapse.”

Oh good.

Hopefully that bloke with the megaphone won't need to be shouting in Parliament Square anymore.

Hersymphonyandsong- You can still get blackberries whether we are in the EU or not, why would you think otherwise.

Regarding my point about the NHS, many people on these threads think that if we leave the EU and do a deal with America, our NHS will be privatised (I don't think this will happen). But what I was saying is that lots of us don't appreciate our NHS, so even if we stayed in the EU it still might not be safe. If we want to keep it for generations to come then we need to stop taking it for granted and look at the part we play in wasted money.

Where are these people living where there are blackberries in winter? Here, north west, they’re withering already, mid September.

(Don’t like them anyway, just curious

“But what I was saying is that lots of us don't appreciate our NHS, so even if we stayed in the EU it still might not be safe.”

This is not the reason why the NHS is not safe even if we stay in the EU. The NHS is already being sold off by the Tories, they have openly been running it into the ground and blaming it on immigrants etc, anything they can to get people to believe the “NHS is failing” narrative so they can sell it off to their mates and their own companies. As long as we have a hardline Tory govt the NHS is not protected - but the British (English) love the evil immigrants narrative and love to keep voting them in. Leaving the EU lets them run even wilder with the NHS resources, lining their pockets further

“Leaving the EU lets them run even wilder with the NHS resources, lining their pockets further”

Though of course without the bogeyman of the EU to blame and hide behind for all of the nation’s failings it will be very interesting indeed to see what excuses are trotted out post leaving.

Mama

I asked you to name commercially fruit commercially grown during the winter months in the UK and you couldn't.... so it is true, we do not.

Percentage of no-show NHS appointments is tiny! what we don't do is appreciate our own health but again, the govt could easily limit fast food outlets and do more on preventative medicine but it doesn't.

A former UK GP (moved to Aus) says he liked it when patients didn't show up, meant he could catch up on his appointment list.

But my family come from somewhere you could have been rounded up and shot for having an anti government opinion. They watched friends and family tortured and killed.
With that kind of legacy, I can't get as worked up as others about a no deal brexit, much as I don't want it to happen.

You can't 'get worked up' about no deal Brexit because your family have experienced terrible things. I'm saying that plenty of other people with that kind of legacy - and plenty of people who don't - are "worked up" about No deal - because they know its utterly shit.

AuldAlliance
There are an estimated 4m adult food bank users in the UK.

The estimate in your link is based on a poll of 1,050 people - who may have used a food bank in the past, not necessarily using one now, as per the article.

There are around 2m food bank users in France.

The link to Banques Alimentaires is one provider in France - who distributed 226 million meals to 2 million people in 2017.

"In total, around 3.5 million people rely on food banks in France.One provider, the Banque Alimentaire has over 100 branches in France, serving 200 million meals a year to 1.85 million people." (2013)

There are over 1,200 food banks in the UK run by the Trussell Trust.
Research shows that is about 2/3 of UK food banks.

Your link shows that the Trussell Trust distributed 1.6 million three-day emergency food supplies last year - which is obviously less than the 226 million meals a year distributed by Banque Alimentaire,

Most food bank users in the UK are referred only a few times a year;

"Our statistics are a measure of volume rather than unique users, and on average people needed around two food bank referrals in the last year." "The data is collected using an online system" - "if a family of three was referred to a food bank twice in one year, this would count as six supplies on the system"

I would suggest that people living in food poverty need more assistance than two referrals per year? What do they do the rest of the year?

Maybe we should be looking to copy some of the initiatives used in France?

Mistigri
One positive of Brexit might be less cut and paste cluttering up perfectly good threads.

As you live in France, Mistigri,

26 AUG 2019:
"A quarter of patients in France have been unable to get their prescriptions because of a shortage of drugs."

"France's national agency for drug security the Agence nationale de sécurité du médicament (ANSM) recorded just 44 cases of supply disruption in 2008, but over the years this has increased steadily to 438 in 2014 and 538 in 2017."

www.thelocal.fr/20190826/shortage-of-medicines-in-france-is-putting-patients-at-risk-say-doctors

MAY 2019:
"The French Senate has recently proposed a law to fight against pharmaceutical and vaccine shortages in France.This is in response to the growing issue of pharmacies and hospitals running out of stock of critical medications.This situation received a tremendous amount of media coverage which lead French Authorities to tackle this issue."

adents.com/article-drug-shortage-proposed-law-france-6761.html

Hersymphony - You didn't read my post properly again, I didn't even mention immigrants so I am confused by what you have said. People think it won't be safe if we leave the EU but it might not be safe if we stay. Yes the Government (whoever is in power) has to put more money into it, but we the public need to take responsibility as well before it's too late.

I understood you perfectly. Actually I was agreeing with you that it was not safe within or without the EU, but disagreeing with your reasons (that we don’t appreciate it enough). The reason is that the current government has been systematically running it down in order to sell it off. If by “taking responsibility” you mean voting for a party that isn’t lying in order to line their pockets through privatisation, then again I agree with you.