How will your life be better after Brexit?

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“I think we have op, but maybe what's been raised is just not of interest to you“

But your posts about the impact of immigration are wrong - immigrants from EU countries are net contributors to the economy. And anyway, the suggestion is that the government will permit immigration from non European countries to fill the gaps.

It's not about immigration. It's about volume. It's not fair for any population to have to go through what parts of the UK did back in 2006/2007.

That makes no sense.
The parts of UK with highest immigrant populations were most likely to vote Remain.
I live in a low immigrant area (6% foreign born), that voted strongly Leave (58%). Bradford, where the % foreign born is 13%, had 54% who voted remain.

The problem is Parker as the memorandum states is that the immigrants were not counted in. So all sats can only guess at true figures.
Whilst very large numbers of immigrants are amazing contributers. There are large numbers who are afraid to register anywhere with docs or they may not stay in one place long enough so we had a phenomenon where they used a and e like a doctors.

Also as the document shows, so many problem families arrived needing extensive support from ss councils, extra help in school, and then there are the costs of police, driving without insurance, social issues.

It's hard to put a number on the cost. And the basic point is, why as a country did we need to go through this. As I said this is no reflection on the brave immigrants but the responsibility of the UK government to put their people first.

Op did you read the report. I'm not sure that you have because it does show a very different side to all immigrants being net contributers.

Ragged..

Again if you read the report you would see its repeatedly stated that there was no mechanism to count people in.

The census, showed decrease and yet the reality on the ground was that a massive increase in population.

It's very clear in the report. Therfore I can't understand if you had read it why you would throw a statistical graph at me.?

It is blame of the ‘other’ even when benefits outweigh any perceived negatives. Eg my grandmother taking about houses being built for incomers but happily getting healthcare help. It’s not logical.

My MIL will not be allowed to live with us in Denmark. A thin silver lining on a very big cloud.

If it does happen I suppose I won't have to listen to whinging leavers moaning about traitors and democracy and sovereignty and them going on about 'remoaners' sabotaging their idyllic Brexit. Knowing them they won't be happy though and will find something else to complain about, like it's not brexity enough or wto are unfair.

Neveragain the main issue with the council report you quoted is that by its own admission, over 70% of the immigrants in Slough were not from EU countries. As an argument for leaving the EU it is therefore less than convincing, especially since EU migration has been falling in the past 3 years, and migration from outside the EU has continued to rise. Leaving the EU isn't going to stop this; in fact it's likely that as part of the fabulous trade deals the UK is going to strike, many countries will demand many more visas for their people. This has already happened with India - Theresa May tried to do a deal but refused because India demanded more visas as part of the deal.

I am also a bit disappointed at your statement that according to us remainers, all EU migrants are net contributors - no-one here has claimed that. The statistic is that as a population, EU nationals contribute more than they take out over their lifetime. Within that population, there will of course be broad variation - that is how statistics work.

I am finding the arguments convoluted. So far,

We have politians in the UK who are not trust worthy, so why not add more than from the the eu.
We have high levels of non eu immigration, so why not add more.
We have criminals in UK, so why not have more crime.

Anyway I can say no more. I just thought if nothing else the council document would serve to enlighten some people who maybe didn't live in a cheek by jowl densely populated area that really suffered back in 2006. It might throw small chink of light on what's meant behind that spurious wording...

Immigration.

I don't know which report Never is referring to. It's not linked in their posts.

I can give an anecdote.
I am foreign born.
There were 2 other not-British-at-birth mothers at DC's primary school. 1 of us was EU, 2 were non-EU.

Out of 330 kids, 5 had foreign-born mothers. 3/5 of our joint kids identify as white British. That's how HIGH immigration is not in our area.

There were probably more children of disabled parents at DC's school than kids of foreign-born parents. Or kids with food allergies... Certainly a lot more kids called Emily.

@Neveragain21 if i’m Reading the right thing, your report is talking about a situation where the overwhelming majority of the immigrants were from non-EU countries. Are you saying that Brexit will make a difference to this number?

ah, is this the report Never meant?
publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldselect/ldeconaf/82/7121107.htm

That parliamentary report about Slough Offers no explanation for why where I live is a UKIP-supporting area.

Awful to read about these HMO’s and young people forced to live in squalor.

Yes, it is, and lack of regulation is the fault of the EU because.....? Or a fault of Westminster Governments wanting a bonfire of red tape and freedom from regulation?

The problem is Parker as the memorandum states is that the immigrants were not counted in.

Given that we are an island nation, so all immigrants have to come by sea or air, whose fault is it that they are not counted?

over 70% of the immigrants in Slough were not from EU countries.
Priceless. I look forward to the Leavers welcoming more immigrants with black and brown faces, who could well be Muslim.

We have high levels of non eu immigration, so why not add more.

But this is what you voted for. You want to restrict EU citizens, but we have an aging population, so will need immigrants from somewhere.

And BTW some of us do live in densely populated areas, but we voted Remain.

Neveragain - are you actually talking about people from India and Pakistan who were born in this country but their grandparents came here 60 odd years ago? If not, you are not talking about immigrants, you are just being a racist.

Neveragain21

I ve some sympathy for your argument, as i said earlier to you, these problems are localised not national and do not explain why areas with almost no immigration still voted Leave or why such areas still have exactly the same problems in Education and Health, parents here have to put down their childs name shortly after birth to get into their preferred school, the waiting list for a hip op is around 18 months, adult socail care is on its knees, my DD was asked to work w/e's even though she has now gone back to Uni.

Also, high numbers of migrants into Slough are not from EU countries, Brexit if anything, will mean less EU and more from RoW.

I believe one of the things the tories did was to halt the funding earmarked for areas most affected by migration.

“ parents here have to put down their childs name shortly after birth to get into their preferred school,”

Well, that’s not true for.a start.....

.You are right, its only to register an interest, apologies.

There’s enough misinformation on this thread already. Immigrants can only get into state schools if they fulfil the admissions criteria. And can only “jump the queue” if they live nearer to the school than the queue....

Sorry, I don't think you even register an interest, unless maybe it's a private school. However, there is an issue of a shortage of school places in places, London especially, and my area, the southern part of Oxfordshire. But these are both Remain areas.

Why is there a shortage locally? Massive amounts of housebuilding with an infrastructure which does not keep up. With schools, Government policy does not allow a Local Authority to plan for a new school - they have to persuade an Academy Chain or Freeschool to open one up. How is the EU involved there? The are not - back to Westminster Policy.

parents here have to put down their childs name shortly after birth

Are you in the U.K.? Cos that's not how it works ...

“Coming over here- taking our school places......”

I taught myself to bake bread at the start of the year and discovered that you can grow a lot of lettuce in a grow bag on a tray on a windowsill. Now I have those skills I'm not sure I need Brexit to use them though.

The point you've both missed is that despite having very little immigration down here, we ve got exactly the same issues with education and health.

Aside, got to say if this is how you treat someone who made an innocent mistake, then its hardly surprising few leavers ever bother to engage.

think i'll avoid you in future.

And as always, very little actual eloquent argument from the Leave campaign.