If you can’t get what you want... what would you settle for? (Remainers and brexiters)

[Flopjustwantscoffee]

Just curiosity really about if there’s any space for compromise given how polarized the arguement is getting. Personally I voted remain and don’t want to leave at all, but No Deal being the absolute worst outcome (in my opinion) Id be happy with us leaving with some variation of Theresa May’s deal or other compromise (well, not happy, less unhappy).
If you are pro-remain would you accept leaving with a deal to accept the risk of no deal? If you’re a leaver would your second option at this stage be to leave with No Deal or find a compromise with the EU (and if so what)?

Labour, who are vast majority remains supporters, prevented UK from leaving on 29 March 2019

Referred to Labour MPs, not voters.

Estimated that 5 million who voted labour in 2017 aslo voted leave in 2016. That's why when labour MPs are asked what is labour brexit policy there is never an answer as they are trying to please all their voters at the same time.

Just control of FOM and no not the 3 month rule actual job based visa scheme, renewed annually, housing, treatment, benefits only with the visa. Unless rich enough to support yourself

So if you can’t have those things, what would you settle for?

No deal is better than a bad deal as said by TMay 108 times.

I would accept a Norway style deal. It is absurd seeing as we will have given up so much but it would respect the corrupt and anti-democraticreferendum. Big sigh....

It also shows the parliament’s support for a Brexit extension in a wide range of circumstances, including avoiding no-deal, an election, second referendum, ratifying the agreement or revoking article 50.

That’s interesting.

Taking that literally, the fact that one of the ‘circumstances’ is avoiding no deal means that the extensions could just keep coming as the alternative, by default, is no deal.

@ParkerPen

All EU members signed Article 50. If article 50 is to be changed it will agrain have to be signed by all EU members.

UK voted to leave EU, not the other 27 members. So what MEPs think is irrelevant.

Had all UK members been allowed to vote in the 2014 Scottish referendum, very likely that Scotland would now be out of the UK

Name two countries outside the EU which have a FTA and no border

You can name any two countries in the world.

Blathering about cartels isn't an answer, it's evidence that you don't know what you're talking about.

@Bearbehind - that’s how I read it too - interesting. Am looking for other reports to see if it is worded the same.

Taking that literally, the fact that one of the ‘circumstances’ is avoiding no deal means that the extensions could just keep coming as the alternative, by default, is no deal

Exactly. The uncertainty continues and employers leave the UK due to prolonged uncertainty and the UK looses jobs anyway, which is what remain supporters think they are avoiding.

No, no deal is not a compromise, try again

Mysterytripagain is perfectly demonstrating the need for leavers to compromise with each other

Blathering about cartels isn't an answer, it's evidence that you don't know what you're talking about

Read the post again. The first word was zero.

Cartel is appropriate. Same goods from outside EU can be had cheaper. EU have raised the bar on standards to block cheaper, but viable, products from outside the EU. Thats what single markets do.

Also EU members can't approach non EU countries directly, but must go through EU.

The UK won’t be able to get goods cheaper post Brexit from non EU countries if there is already a most favoured nation clause in place (which there is between the EU and most developed trading nations with the exceptions of places like China, the US and North Korea).

No, no deal is not a compromise, try again

Sometimes compromise can't be achieved and negotiations stop and no deal is made. Article 50 recognized that possible outcome. Rightly so. Otherwise no EU member would ever be able to leave.

Not very democratic not to be able to leave a club if you don't like it anymore. Bit like a divorce. Either party can tell the other to go away. Settlements are based on what is available and who needs what. Nothing in law that says the party that wanted to leave has to comply with demands made by the other party who is pissed off.

Thankfully the EU have approved the granting of an extension to avoid a no deal so some of these comments are now irrelevant.

@ParkerPen

Non EU countries are not prevented from trading with other non EU countries just because they already have a deal with EU.

EU has trade deals with about 70 countries. That leaves about 130 for which they do not.

Thankfully the EU have approved the granting of an extension to avoid a no deal so some of these comments are now irrelevant

Without a second referendum or general election on the horizon? Are the EU starting to realize that losing the third largest donor to the EU pot is damaging to the the EU?

I don't think any kind of Brexit is a good idea but if I had to I could accept Norway plus as a compromise.
A compromise means no one gets what they want.

A compromise means no one gets what they want

That's the spirit of Article 50 that all EU members signed almost 10 years ago that allows a no deal

Mystery - no - they know that a deal is better for everyone rather than being stupid and doing a no deal exit. If we want to trade with the EU post exit, let’s try and be organised about it.

The point is, as remainers on this thread have done, to move closer towards the other position. So saying “if I can’t have the deal I want I want no deal” is not compromising, it is a leaver moving further away from the remainer position. It shows a real lack of understanding and fundamentally demonstrates why the leave camp is in such disarray.

If we want to trade with the EU post exit, let’s try and be organised about it

Nothing prevents EU and UK trading post Brexit. It’s called WTO.

Had Article 50 been followed as agreed in 2009, the withdrawal and future relationship would have been conducted in tandem. UK wanted to do that, but EU said no. Nothing prevented a future trade deal that contained a clause that said the new deals only took effect after UK had left the EU. If it took longer than the two years indicated by Article 50 so what?

So saying “if I can’t have the deal I want I want no deal” is not compromising

That’s why so many divorces end up in the courts as both parties want to laugh at the other one. Judge decides instead and may make a ruling that neither wanted.

It shows a real lack of understanding and fundamentally demonstrates why the leave camp is in such disarray

Suggest you look at the results of the three votes on the WA. It was labour that almost unanimously voted it down three times. And they are remain supporters!

So in what way are you prepared to shift towards the position held by less extreme leavers and remainers in order that a compromise may be achieved?

Come on, be the bigger person, you can do it