In or Out?

[everywhichway]

When eventually this is all done and dusted do you think the UK will be in or out of the EU?

I hope that we will be in, but fear that we could be out.

If we are in then we will have a veto over things like an EU army. If we are out then we don't get that and can only shout from the sidelines like idiots.

Brexshit is such a stupid idea.

Ahh yes, thought so. Little close to the wind there huh? Wouldn’t want to be all ‘Gammony’ and shit by clutching your pearls over an ‘allegedly’ none English poster daring to engage from the brexit side would we?

Out and fucked

And yet your English is still rather suspect...

Can you highlight one of my “less than english” terms? For future reference? It’s important that I continue to impress my new Russian overlords with my linguistic interpretation of English. It would be genuinely dreadful if my otherwise heaving bank AC were to suddenly dry up due to being outed by MumsnetDoris.

You know, and DRUGS.

Would these be the DRUGS that people aren't going to be able to get due to a no deal Brexit causing deaths? Or the DRUGS that American pharmaceutical companies want to charge the NHS twenty times as much for once we've opened them up to US privatisation (as proposed by numerous members of the ERG not to mention Fartage)...

Can you highlight one of my “less than english” terms?

none English poster

There you go.

I'm waiting to hear what's so bad about an EU army as well. Or is it conscription that is the issue? Which is very unlikely. But loved by exactly the people that voted Leave in my family. National service, that's what young people need and so on.

In

In and seriously damaged

Out and messed up for decades. Civil unrest and personal enmity. Financial hardship, breakup of NHS. Just because Cameron made a massive mistake and didn't own it. And no other bugger came along to resolve it.

Out ( tragically).

Agree Civil unrest and personal enmity. Financial hardship, breakup of NHS. Just because Cameron didn't stand up to the 50 or so extremists within his party (and then the party went on to progressively 40 or so moderates instead).

Plus years of mostly US derived produce. Less regulated and expensive US food, medicine and healthcare.

Meanwhile a protracted application and process under the EU third countries procedure by England ( and Wales? ) leads to a new free trade agreement with the EU about 5 years down the road.This will have cost billions in the process and be far less lucrative for us.

( Regarding other-comments on this thread it has always utterly perplexed me which countries brexiters are frightened of, and why? Most of the genuine pop up posters on here posses a real fear of the modest French, German, Belgian,Dutch military ? Yet the real foreign military threat is never ever mentioned once? Never.
Why isolate ourselves- when it’s quite nice to feel the collective benefit of being jointly unified against Putin? Why do many brexiters seem to dislike foreign yet want us to isolate ourselves and stand alone without a back up? Why do the faragist mob ignore the
regular military incursions into U.K. air and sea space by Russia? Nice Dutch and Belgians are treated as the enemy- yet towards Russia the brexiters and faragists are silently respectful. 'Tis illogical to me.)

Out via an orderly Brexit. And all the people on here getting excited about no Deal as "the only true Brexit " will have to squirm into a position that says that's what they wanted all along.

In, hopefully.

Out, I suspect.

so the pro-Brexit people can see the results of their 'leave means leave' mentality.

This will NEVER happen. They will spend the next 50 years blaming the EU, Remainers and Corbyn Oh and John Bercow.

I expect out. And spending the next few years negotiating a trade deal that is less good than the one we have with the EU. And watching the EU use it's bargaining power to negotiate better trade deals than we can manage with other countries. Then trying to negotiate our way back into the EU, ending up with a much worse arrangement than our current one.

In.
We’re not allowed to leave.

Not allowed by obligations & duty, you mean?

I predict we'll be very out having destroyed our obligations.

No, not allowed because too many in our government have financial interests within the EU. Leaving will affect them personally.
They couldn’t give a fuck about what the ‘people’ want.

I think we will remain in the EU, I think this will happen as a result of revoking Art 50.
Anything else just means years more of this mess and that includes No Deal. There is no 'clean' break Brexit, all the options, apart from Revoke, involve negotiating for years. Boring but true

Aaron Banks is paying overtime at the moment.

How are you ‘not allowed to leave’? You were allowed in March - door was wide open ffs. It was britain that wanted the extentions. Nobody is stopping you going but merely asking your government to come up with a deal to make it easier to go.

You've already had 3 opportunities to leave. We would be out by now if it hadn't been for the DUP/ERG sect. Sounds like Johnson is going to shaft them anyway. Suck it up and compromise to protect GFA if you want to avoid No Deal.
Or have the consequences of No Deal on your conscience for the rest of your life. You decide.

fedupcitizen strangely 3 leave voters I know actually believe the UK should bring back National service, mind you, they had a great time of it when they did it , so they might be biased

I don't think you can equate National Service against our children dying for a flag that is not their own and one that 52% of the voting electorate chose to reject.

They are definitely not the same thing.

Will just one brexiter poster who bangs on absurdly about leaving the EU to stop children dying explain this....

Why do you think isolating ourselves internationally is a good idea? Why do you see no collective benefit in being jointly unified in Europe against the border with Putin? Why do many brexiters seem to dislike all foreign stuff - yet make an exception for Russian threats ? Why do the faragist brevity mob fear nice European countries but never factor in regular military incursions into U.K. air and sea space from Russia ? Why stir up fear of small Dutch and Belgian forces (who incidentally have helped us escort Russia vessels away from our air and sea space) yet continue to be silently respectful towards Russia.Its illogical to me.