Why does Boris want a General Election when surely a second referendum might address the deadlock more definitively.

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This. Because I can’t see anywhere this question has been asked or answered and I’m truly baffled.

Nope, the way forward is a GE as soon as possible.

And what would that achieve?

Labour stand for nothing on Brexit so aren’t a viable choice so it would be a Tory BXP coalition wouldn’t it?

Not quite sure where Mystery gets the idea its a done deal at the next GE with a Tory win?

The latest polling shows the Cons 7 pts ahead of Labour, BXP predicted to get few if any seats, just as happened to ukip when they got 3.8m votes in 2015 but no MPs, however, they do split the con vote.

Cons lose all their scottish MPs, LD 's double their number, 2 or 3 Greens.... all means the Cons have to make big gains in Lab marginal seats.

BXP will do well if the GE is after 31/10, which it will be.

No deal absolutely should not be on any referendum because it is not a viable option. It would be immoral to include it

Good, they'll split the tory vote in many constituencies.

A con/bxp electoral pact is another matter but so far BJ has ruled that out, so there probably will be one.

The other problem with "No Deal" is that it's not an end point. An actual trade deal still has to follow. "No Deal" is just one version of transition to a semi-permanent situation.

No deal absolutely should not be on any referendum because it is not a viable option

It’s as viable as any other option right now.

Have people really learned nothing in the last 3 years?

This isn’t and never was about leaving the EU

It’s about people having their voices heard and you can’t just ignore those who support no deal

Neither can you assume that no one poor supports no deal or that no one in NI supports no deal because it simply isn’t the case.

You might not agree with their rationale, I certainly don’t, but being so arrogant that you think they need saving from themselves by removing no deal from the table is what’s got us into this mess

BJ is riding roughshod over parliamentary process and insisting he’ll ignore the law forcing him to ask for an extension and yet the Tories are moving ahead in the polls

You can’t just ignore that fact however much you might like to

A con/bxp electoral pact is another matter but so far BJ has ruled that out, so there probably will be one.

Exactly - BJ ruling something out virtually guarantees it will happen

There would only be any point at all in a further referendum if people actually had decent information (not just Cambridge Analytica's "dropping the bucket further down the well of people's subconscious fears").

Under that circumstance, yes, No Deal should be one of the options. People should have adequate information to understand what it fully means.

(Given some MNers report conversations where people have believed No Deal = Remain, ensuring people are adequately informed might be a job of work...)

There would only be any point at all in a further referendum if people actually had decent information

I agree. That’s the only sensible solution I can see so clearly it won’t happen.

If a PV campaign was completely impartial and just stated the facts of what each option meant then we would find the option with the biggest consensus

As it is, it will be more spin and lies so would be pointless.

Bear I'm talking about the endless... Endless questions aimed at leavers!

I say.. The eu is corrupt.

They say... Why!!

Why don't they know? Why didn't they do research... See how corrupt the eu is then balance that in with their other research and say.. Ok its corrupt but my priority is blah.

Isn't that how people make up their minds and come to conclusions?

When I say it's corrupt I've read about it, why are they asking me about it...

^^AS AN EXAMPLE

Any new referendum must also include as much transparency about eu as possible.

We need proper break downs of who everyone is, their background, dealings...

We need full transparency on money, corruption, other eu states finances, projections on when cohesion will actually happen if ever etc etc etc. It will be a vast project.

It’s about people having their voices heard and you can’t just ignore those who support no deal
Totally agree.

september this is a discussion forum.

I’ve actually asked you a question on the pub thread - it’s the whole point of discussion

You say one thing, people read it and ask questions if they choose to

If you don’t have the answers then just say so, but don’t refer people to google or whatever

Everyone on these threads has read around this subject, to a greater or lesser extent, and formed an opinion

If you opinion differs to others then it’s courtesy to explain and support your comments

Otherwise it’s all a bit pointless

We need full transparency on money, corruption, other eu states finances, projections on when cohesion will actually happen if ever etc etc etc.

Why? I thought you knew all this already so surely everyone else can find this out too.........

I say.. The eu is corrupt

So what? its not news! name any govt, organisation etc that is not? its human nature.

If you removed the costs of EU corruption and divided it proportionately across the eu28, how much would the UK get? fwiw the eu costs 1% of european gross income @165 billion, so lets assume 2% is lost through corruption, about 3.3 billion, our share would be v little.

Leaving the EU will cost the UK billions trying to develop an alt to Galileo, then Airbus and PSA will relocate, plus many FS firms to mainland europe.

To perfectly honest, i 'm more concerned with the corruption within the HoC, esp 2nd homes and the public speaking circus that has made Cameron and Blair millions.

“Neither can you assume that no one poor supports no deal or that no one in NI supports no deal because it simply isn’t the case.”

It’s not a viable option for this country because it would be disastrous. No government should morally be considering it an option, so it should not be put to the people. I completely understand that that is not where we are now, no need to be so fucking rude, I have read and absorbed and followed threads on here for years. I am talking morally. It should have been ruled out from the start.

I completely understand that that is not where we are now, no need to be so fucking rude

Eh?

Where have I been ‘fucking rude’?

“Have people really learned nothing in the last 3 years?

This isn’t and never was about leaving the EU

It’s about people having their voices heard and you can’t just ignore those who support no deal”

This was rude. We KNOW that no deal is supported by powerful people who want to make money out of it. It’s nothing to do with ignoring poor people who want it or whatever, it’s about a moral government not allowing those corrupt billionaires to profit from something that destroys our country. Yes I know we do not (and probably never have had) a “moral” government, but I stand by my saying that no deal should have been ruled out and should not be something we can vote for

It’s not rude at all.

You might not agree with it but it’s not rude.

There’s plenty of people who don’t stand to benefit from no deal but still support it.

What do you think of their opinions?

There’s plenty of people who don’t stand to benefit from no deal but still support it.

I think anyone who supports no deal either doesn't fully understand it or doesn't give a crap that it will break an international peace treaty. It says a lot about someone's moral compass if they are happy to break an international peace treaty just because it's become inconvenient.

I think anyone who supports no deal either doesn't fully understand it

See, this is exactly the patronising comment that has got us into this mess.

You can’t just dismiss opinions you disagree with

And you certainly can’t just say ‘oh they don’t really understand what they are choosing’

It makes them all the more determined.

I think anyone who supports no deal either doesn't fully understand it or doesn't give a crap that it will break an international peace treaty. It says a lot about someone's moral compass if they are happy to break an international peace treaty just because it's become inconvenient.

And yet their vote is worth exactly the same as yours is.

And our democracy in the UK is that of universal suffrage, whether you like it or not.

@Bearbehind - See, this is exactly the patronising comment that has got us into this mess.

My comment isn't at all patronising and quoting part of my sentence to serve your agenda is exactly the type of behaviour that has got us into this mess.

If people are happy to break an international peace treaty by leaving with no deal, fine. That is their right. So no dealers either have no problem breaking an international peace treaty or they don't realise it will break an international peace treaty, in which case they don't fully understand it.

You can’t just dismiss opinions you disagree with

I'm not dismissing opinions I disagree with. I am, however, judging those who are willing to break an international peace treaty just because it is inconvenient.

I quoted the part of the sentence that was patronising.

I happen to agree with you on the internal peace treaty point but plenty don’t

Dismissing their opinions isn’t helpful. Neither is ‘judging’ them - it achieves nothing.

And the GFA being the reason we cannot properly leave the EU will end badly anyway IMO.