Why does Boris want a General Election when surely a second referendum might address the deadlock more definitively.

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This. Because I can’t see anywhere this question has been asked or answered and I’m truly baffled.

A 'Brexit' general election is a very bad idea, which is what it would be unfortunately. A second referendum is the way to go now that it has all turned into a complete disaster.

That was in response to Mystery

Labour Party cried for a general election since the previous election in 2017. However, Brexit party doing well in the EU elections took the wind out of Labour sails as voters moved to Brexit and LibDems party.

Opposition parties don’t want an election because they have worked out that the most likely outcome is a coalition between Brexit and Conservative party. With a majority in the same magnitude as the 2016 where over 400 constituencies voted leave, such coalition can overturn the Benn Act easily.

Polls also show that people fear Corbyn as PM more than they fear a no deal.

That’s why opposition parties don’t want a general election.

A second referendum is the way to go now that it has all turned into a complete disaster

Parliament ruled that out long time ago.

However, if another referendum produced a leave result, what happens next?

3rd, 4th................999th referendum until the bad losers hear what they want to hear

That’s why opposition parties don’t want a general election.

Cool story bro

Those saying that No Deal should be on the ballot I suggest you think again, members of the public should not be given No Deal as an option because you cant just fuck over an international peace treaty
just so you can fuck the poor and vulnerable of this country harder than you already do to satisfy the wants of disaster capitalists and oligarchs

members of the public should not be given No Deal as an option because you cant just fuck over an international peace treaty

Article 50, which was signed by all members of the EU, allows no deal. Rightly so too. If no deal not allowed, then EU could prevent any member from leaving by making outrageous demands.

MysteryTripAgain, why are you ignoring my question?

It's a pretty key one, given your claim that a GE can be used to settle Leave/Remain.

Here it is again:

How would you vote if Corbyn came out with a firm Leave position for the Labour party, and the Tories expressed a firm Remain position?

How would you vote if Corbyn came out with a firm Leave position for the Labour party, and the Tories expressed a firm Remain position

Neither of those options are on the table at moment. So yet another hypothetical situation. However, if such situation arises I will vote Brexit Party.

And for those of us for whom the Brexit Party's other interests make it completely unacceptable, do you recommend that we vote Labour, if Labour came out with a firm Leave position?

It's not the eu making unreasonable demands, Mystery. Why are you so scared of a second referendum, given we're at stalemate?

How would you vote if Corbyn came out with a firm Leave position for the Labour party, and the Tories expressed a firm Remain position?

I'd vote for the Brexit Party

Leave remain map of the United Kindom.
Analysis here

It’s pretty clear cut; when you look at it graphically.
England and Wales want to Leave; the Scots want to stay.
Thé remainers in E&W broadly; are city dwellers; wealthier, better educated.
I want the UK to stay, but the long term Solution is FOM, customs Union, Scottish referendum ( Independent Scotland and rejoining the EU). Ie, some version of the withdrawal agreement.
I think it is the fairest for the majority of people.
I do not want a No deal Brexit, and I do not want right wingers selling UK assets off to the Americans.

We need some kind of change. It’s the same discontent which gave the Americans a Trump government.

2nd ref with win for Remain would only be valid if turnout was equal to or larger than 72.21%, and if Remain won by more than 51.89% on a qualifying turnout.

Why are you so scared of a second referendum, given we're at stalemate

Parliament is scared of another referendum. That’s why they voted against it.

In those circumstances I too would vote brexit party.

I can't imagine a single 'leaver Labour voter' trusting a single position that emits from the the Labour Party. The trust has gone.

I trust Boris and his team are doing their very best to get us out as best they can, but I wouldn't trust any other tory brexiter if Boris goes.

Once brexit is done we can carry on with normal parties again.
Or what's left of them.

remainers in E&W broadly; are city dwellers; wealthier, better educated

So UK returns to the Victorian era whereby only the rich elite were entitled to vote? That’s not progress, but going backwards.

The problem with second ref is that the sitting government has failed at brexit.

So what's the point of winning again and having the same obstinate radicalised remainer mps sit on it and waste time again.

There is no point.

The only way is to get new people into parliament via general election. And get brexit through.

However.. In all the twists and turns the new blinder is that Cummings and farage hate each other and Boris has ruled out a pact.

So, tories would loose.

@MysteryTripAgain - Article 50, which was signed by all members of the EU, allows no deal. Rightly so too. If no deal not allowed, then EU could prevent any member from leaving by making outrageous demands.

A50 allows any member to leave with no deal. However, a county that has any integrity will consider any obligations they have that might be impacted by leaving and will choose a leave option that complies with those obligations. Leaving with no deal breaks the GFA. If the UK has any integrity, it will ensure they leave in a way that does not break the GFA. This requires revisiting of the red lines, a backstop or a special economic zone for NI.

The UK government could very easily, and reasonably, state no deal is not an option in a referendum as it breaks the GFA.

And.. If we manage to get GE and brexit party and tories won't work together I do feel I will officially give up.

No-one has suggested that, Mystery. You're deflecting again.

The UK has integrity and that's been a major issue of it existing under its overlords.

I can't imagine a single 'leaver Labour voter' trusting a single position that emits from the the Labour Party. The trust has gone

Page 24 of the Labour Party manifesto in the run up to the 2017 election stated they would honour the referendum result.

Watch Question Time on 5 September 2019 and watch Emily Thornberry demonstrate how messed up the Labour Party is at moment. If Labour Party get into power, Emily Thornberry as foreign secretary, will negotiate a deal that protects the economy and jobs, but will campaign for remain.

Two fingers, if your interested in deflection take quick look at Germany in recession thread.

Someone is posting about Germany shrinking economy, and the op is being called a grammatically incorrect BOT.

remainers in E&W broadly; are city dwellers; wealthier, better Educated
So UK returns to the Victorian era whereby only the rich elite were entitled to vote? That’s not progress, but going backwards

I’m not sure where you got that idea from? @MysteryTripAgain
I’m just summarising the analysis. Everyone gets to vote, but the Remainers in E&W tend to be from those groups.

Those saying that No Deal should be on the ballot I suggest you think again

Those saying no deal should not be on the ballot paper should think again

A lot of people support it - you can’t deny them their choice and just have the ones that suit Remainers

The biggest problem with a PV the way I see it is there are 3 options

Leave No Deal
Leave WA
Remain

So the winner only needs just over a third of votes which leaves two thirds pissed off

but the Remainers in E&W tend to be from those groups

How does that make their vote carry more weight? The leave vote was overall a working class revolution. People who live above Watford objected to London and the South East going forwards while rest of UK went backwards