Why does Boris want a General Election when surely a second referendum might address the deadlock more definitively.

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This. Because I can’t see anywhere this question has been asked or answered and I’m truly baffled.

The UK government could very easily, and reasonably, state no deal is not an option in a referendum as it breaks the GFA

How does that prevent the EU from making outrageous demands?

@Septembersunrays - The UK has integrity and that's been a major issue of it existing under its overlords.

Really? You obviously have a very different definition of integrity to most. Breaking an international peace treaty simply because it is no longer convenient does not fit with my idea of integrity, particularly as there are other leave options available that do not break the GFA.

Just to be clear, this is what I mean by integrity in this instance: the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles

Perhaps you would like to give your definition, where breaking an international peace treaty because it's inconvenient counts as integrity? And please don't pretend you thought I was referring to territorial integrity, particularly as no deal is likely to result in an indy referendum in Scotland.

@MysteryTripAgain - How does that prevent the EU from making outrageous demands?

You mean outrageous demands like don't break an international peace treaty you signed with one of our members?

A lot of people support it - you can’t deny them their choice and just have the ones that suit Remainers

As with the poor and vulnerable you despise Bear are you now willing to throw the people of NI on that list also?

Lots of people (Tories) want to abolish welfare support, NHS, workers rights, do we just do that then and fuck the society we live in?

Lots of eople want to bring back hanging and the such, do we do that also Bear? I mean we could start with disabled people like me first huh?

So just because some extreme headbangers want to throw this country of a cliff, temporarily because we will eventually have to accept the Irish back stop if we ever want to trade with the EU, I'm not inclined to let them for the good of the rest of society but as a Tory I understand that 'I'm alright Jack'/social darwinism is your guiding light

As long as we’re banning stupid and destructive options from appearing on the ballot paper, I take it there’ll be no problem with excluding Corbyn’s Labour Party from the next GE too?

Bearbehind, that's pretty much what you get without a PV as well.

Leave barely squeaked over 50% for all versions combined, and Leavers can't agree themselves which version they want.

So even if there were a mere two versions, Leave No Deal and Leave WA, with equal support each, that means only 25% of the country actually wanted the whichever version gets through.

Meanwhile 75 % of the country is pissed off.

just could you try and be more civil and stop reverting to the Tory insults please.

I don’t think no deal is the right choice, although, in lieu of a people’s vote, I think it’s where we are heading.

I do think that if there’s a people vote then no deal has to be an option

Why am I... You sound very bossy!
Why don't you you just google it. Its well known the UK usually plays by the actual rules but no other bugger in the eu does.

There should always have been a plan for a second referendum once the detailed options had been thrashed out and we knew what we were voting FOR, not merely AGAINST – with single transferrable vote so as not to split the Leave vote.

Assuming most original Leave voters hadn't changed their minds on seeing the details, it would result in a specific Leave version. Ie the Leave version most people felt they could live with even if it wasn't their top choice.

Remain should be on the referendum ballot paper to stop the sort of stupid brinkmanship that's been going on here, from May and Johnson and the ERG, of politicians saying "I decide that we get, and I'll run out the clock to make sure I get it."

@Septembersunrays - Why am I... You sound very bossy!

Ah, bless. I'm gutted.

Why don't you you just google it.

I doubt your personal definition of integrity will come up in a Google search. I've given you mine. My definition would not include breaking an international peace treaty because it is no longer convenient.

Its well known the UK usually plays by the actual rules but no other bugger in the eu does.

Not quite the case. However, that is completely irrelevant to my point that the UK is lacking in integrity if it is willing to break an international peace treaty simply because it is no longer convenient, particularly as there are other leave options that preserve the treaty.

You mean outrageous demands like don't break an international peace treaty you signed with one of our members?

EU are not party to the GFA. Their pretence to care about the GFA is blackmail to overturn a result they don’t like.

The UK has integrity and that's been a major issue of it existing under its overlords.
Care to expand on this? Or is this just more empty rhetoric?

Boris now can not run the country as he has no majority to do so, we need a GE to be able to run the country effectively.

Secondly there is very little support for a second referendum, when the results are yet to be honoured from the first. Why would a second referendum be implemented?

Nope, the way forward is a GE as soon as possible.

How does that make their vote carry more weight?
No-one has suggested it should. More deflection.
The leave vote was overall a working class revolution.
Keep telling yourself that, even though it's bollocks. Next you'll be asserting that Bullingdon Boys and Old Etonians are the true champions of the working classes.

^Why don't you just Google it?'
The last resort of the 'we have no arguments' Leaver, as seen over and ovr on these threads.

we will eventually have to accept the Irish back stop if we ever want to trade with the EU

Incorrect. EU has a trade surplus with the UK and UK is the third largest donor to the EU.

No deal forces EU to make a decision, dump Ireland and protect their borders in Eastern Europe or risk making an exception for Ireland and taking the backlash from the other third countries.

I would prefer to see 4 options.

Remain
Soft deal (ie Norway/Canada style)
Hard brexit
No deal

Though why anyone would VOTE for no deal beats me. Surely the end goal is some sort of deal, and it would be better done before we leave rather than after?

Soft Brexit and hard Brexit are just concepts though

What’s the difference between hard Brexit and no deal?

“The UK has integrity and that's been a major issue of it existing under its overlords.”

Hilarious, best yet. Yes, just look at our leaders, paragons of virtue every one. 😂 our PM is an hooligan and most of the Cabinet proven liars, disaster capitalists, incompetents or just plain monstrous individuals.
I’ll take the word of European officials any day,m. Watch any of the recent documentaries on the Brexit process. Professional, intelligent people, fully on top of their brief who deal in fact, logic and pragmatism. Just no comparison.

It greatly frustrates me that Remainers who keep asking questions don't know this stuff already!

I did my research I read endless articles, listened to endless people from niche areas, to broader views, on Internet, papers, past stuff, my own education.
My own experiences, family members (immigrants) from all over.
The actual campaigns were light in knowledge in comparison.
I dipped in for debates.

Why don't people know this stuff?

Remain, Soft deal (ie Norway/Canada style), Hard brexit, No deal

Why no option of simply going back to the original EEC which is the last time we actually got a vote. We voted to join the EEC. Why not let that stand? Forget the ECJ, freedom of movement etc., and just go back to the trade agreement which like I say, is all we ever agreed to.

Yeah, I don't think "Soft Brexit" or "Hard Brexit" are good referendum Qs – far too woolly.

If we voted again, it would have to be on the actual detailed options.

@MysteryTripAgain - EU are not party to the GFA. Their pretence to care about the GFA is blackmail to overturn a result they don’t like.

Ireland is a member of the EU. They have stated they will not accept a deal that breaks the GFA. As the deal is between the EU and the UK, Ireland's position must be considered by the EU in negotiations. The fact the EU are not signatories is irrelevant.

Why don't people know this stuff?

What are you talking about?