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Westminstenders: It's like a bloody aviary

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RedToothBrush · 12/09/2019 20:40

From Flamingos to Yellowhammer and Black Swans.

The Tory Remainer is now a Dodo. Instead the party in inhabited by disaster capitalist Vultures. Jeremy Corbyn, meanwhile, has been labelled by the right wing press as a Chicken. The SNP would very much like Boris Johnson to be a Jailbird. The LDs are keen to sing like Canaries about the contents of BlackSwan. The Br

And the Tower of London is starting to get very jumpy about the whereabouts and location of its Ravens.

I would not, however, advise eating urban wild pigeons if things get desperate, from what I know of their health.

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ContinuityError · 13/09/2019 08:03

Peregrine Merlin Kite (since we’re on a bird theme).

prettybird · 13/09/2019 08:07

Looking at all the different questions and different responses: they are mutually inconsistent Confused But then again, even I, as an intelligent woman, was struggling to understand the questions and why way round they were asking for the preference/opinion Confused

Motheroffourdragons · 13/09/2019 08:14

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Basilpots · 13/09/2019 08:14

I know Yellowhammer is old news now but this Institute for Gov includes Government mitigation actions.

Anyone got any information on Operation Kingfisher ? It’s to do with the effects of a no deal Brexit on people with low income.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/operation-yellowhammer

Basilpots · 13/09/2019 08:16

Ughhh hate survey questions where I have to read them three times and still think What ????

They get a don’t know and s terse comment at the end.

prettybird · 13/09/2019 08:27

Good explanation here from James Cook of the BBC about the reasoning of the 3 Inner Court Judges for their judgement.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1172252249667592193.html

Songsofexperience · 13/09/2019 08:31

Ostrich

TipseyTorvey · 13/09/2019 08:35

Can I join? Pmk. I am so anxious about all of this at the moment but it feels like no one else is in RL. Red I love your informative writing!

NigellasGuest · 13/09/2019 08:38

"Ring Rory" on LBC now (Rory Stewart)

Belindabelle · 13/09/2019 08:40

Rory has just said the only way to know if BJ lied to the Queen is to waterboard the corgi!

DGRossetti · 13/09/2019 08:40

Many thanks RTB for the long post about the upcoming constitutional horror show. I saw an interesting point elsewhere that the courts act in Monarch name not the governments or parliaments. So to call their decisions political is to accuse the monarch of the same ....

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say the SCOTUK case on the 17th is going to decide what the true nature of the Union is. And whatever that determination it's going to be incendiary in some quarters ... either it will uphold the status of Scotland as a sovereign country (i.e what was agreed in the Act of Union and has been the narrative since) or it will judge that Scotland is in effect a county of England with shortbread. A judgement which may upend the relationship between Westminster and Scotland and have significant bearing on the ongoing independence campaign.

Forget Northern Ireland - it could be Scotland which jams up the works.

I caveat the above with a declaration that what I know about Scottish law could be written on the back of a stamp. In fact the most interesting thing I know about Scottish law is there is a Scottish barrister called Harry Potter ...

DGRossetti · 13/09/2019 08:41

It's quite a remarkable exercise in how survey questions can affect the findings...

dontcallmelen · 13/09/2019 09:13

PMK thank you.

Tanith · 13/09/2019 09:19

"I think they’re trying to get rid of the elderly"

Now can anyone spot why this policy will represent an existential crisis for the tory party?

I don't think the Tories are in power at the moment: they've been taken over by an unelected hard right group. Their only interest in the Conservatives is their voters who will blindly vote for a blue rosette (no co-incidence that the Brexit party chose a shade of blue), and their access to funds and donations.
Those older Conservative voters are dispensable so far as they're concerned.

As for the culling of the elderly, well they've been planning that for a long time with their baby-boomer hate on social media. TM mis-timed and played her hand too early in the last GE, but I fully expect to see the so-named Dementia tax being implemented in the not so distant future.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2019 09:21

"Operation Kingfisher ? It’s to do with the effects of a no deal Brexit on people with low income."

WHY is so little attention on Operation Kingfisher ? Hmm

The better off can probably survive most things barring complete economic / civil collapse

The most vulnerable survive week to week, even day to day and their lives could be destroyed by effects that most of the country can shrug off

Social Darwinism by default ?

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2019 09:23

"I don't think the Tories are in power at the moment:"

The Tories are; the Conservatives are not

atm Tory = hard right nihilists in the destruction phase

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2019 09:26

Another usually reliable commentator, advised by EU sources to step back on (UK) reports of backstop progress:

Lewis Goodall@lewis_goodall

Being steered away by EU sources that they are on the verge of major concessions/close to a deal.

UK position in private remains that checks can take place away from the border.
That’s something the EU has rejected.

Moreover UK has still not presented any “operable proposals.”

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2019 09:27

Lewis Goodall@lewis_goodall

On the backstop, source tells me “they may be willing to ‘scrap the backstop’ and disguise it as something else but the truth will out.”

There’s a lot of scepticism that BJ can actually get a deal through Commons if they move, so reluctance to do so.

HesterThrale · 13/09/2019 09:34

The Independent, today.

Public believes immigration can be controlled without leaving EU in remarkable turnaround, survey finds

The public no longer believes it is necessary to leave the EU to control immigration in an extraordinary turnaround since the Brexit referendum, a survey has found,
Voters – including Leave supporters – said they now judge that existing EU rules provide “enough control” on incomers from the continent, without the need for the UK to pull out.
Far from demanding an immigration crackdown, no less than 71 per cent support allowing EU migrants to come to the UK either to work or study – including 62 per cent of Leave voters from 2016.
The results represent a striking shift from three years ago, when a widespread anti-immigration sentiment fuelled the Brexit vote, rather than a general revolt against the system as many politicians claimed.
Crucially, the researchers at University College London put it down to “missing information” – because so many people were unaware about the existing controls back in 2016.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-eu-immigration-control-vote-leave-latest-a9102686.html%3famp

ARoomWithoutADoor · 13/09/2019 09:36

A single Magpie PMK
Thanks, Red

Songsofexperience · 13/09/2019 09:38

I think the memo hasn't reached some of the most rabid leavers on MN...
Good to see that information on FoM has found a way to reach leavers out there though.

DGRossetti · 13/09/2019 09:40

Of course the Brexiteer argument is that it was never about immigration anyway ....

Songsofexperience · 13/09/2019 09:42

Of course, they're never ever xenophobic...

Hasenstein · 13/09/2019 09:50

Anyone else do the Guardian crossword yesterday without noticing the Bollocks to Brexit message on the top & bottom lines? I've just seen it mentioned and had to get the paper out of the bin to check. How very clever!

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2019 09:50

That's important about the change on immigration, hester - if other polls have similar findings

imo, Leave for many now is a matter of pride - not giving in to the mc / Left & centre / EU,
but this is still a powerful political force, being emotional and difficult to defuse