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Westminstenders: "I don't give a flying flamingo"

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RedToothBrush · 11/09/2019 11:18

Amid scenes parliament was shut down.

In an unprecedented comment the Speaker, stated it was not an ordinary prorogation and it was blatantly an attempt to stop the executive being held to account.

And now it seems a Scottish Court agree with him:
"Lord Brodie cont: "the principal reasons for the prorogation were to prevent or impede parliament holding the executive to account and legislating with regard to Brexit, and to allow the executive to pursue a policy of a no deal Brexit without further parliamentary interference"

Thus parliament must reopen. Unless the decision is overturned in a higher court.

This is constitutionally a big deal. The Queen is highly unlikely to attend a reopening, especially in this manner, due to how political it now is.

General Election campaigning has already began with parties trying to take full advantage of the fact that there are currently no rules over spending.

Dominic Cummings actively and openly campaigning for the Conservatives whilst paid as a civil servant by the tax payer is a huge breech of the Civil service code but MPs are struggling to pin the government down on this as its being obstructive.

Cummings is keen to use data to target and personalise people based on their usage of the .gov portal for Brexit. This is OK as its in the national interest apparently. Its also incredibly sinister and concerning about how this could be used against the population.

Anyway if you thought parliament closing would result in a lull in events you were very much mistaken!!

What next?

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MrPan · 11/09/2019 13:20

Scottish men's football team might be rubbish.

But the judiciary have an awesome strike force.

Songsofexperience · 11/09/2019 13:21

Scummings is someone who hates a) Parliament b) judges c) civil servants.

How do you call someone like that?

TheMShip · 11/09/2019 13:21

What do you all make of this from the political editor of the DM, Jason Groves?

Boris Johnson rules out election pact with Brexit Party. Senior Tory source: ‘Neither Nigel Farage not Arron Banks are fit and proper persons and they should never be allowed anywhere near government’

NotJustACigar · 11/09/2019 13:22

Whoever is PM here's hoping he will be serving the shortest term in history (it's looking like a long road to make it past George Canning at 119 days).

BigChocFrenzy · 11/09/2019 13:22

More good newsSmile
but don't assume this is a sign of Tories turning from thê Dark Side of the Force

Cummings has always hated Farage (jealous ?)

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

Brutal official response from Tories on Breixt Party’s election deal offer.
A senior Conservative source:

“Neither Nigel Farage nor Arron Banks are fit and proper persons
and they should never be allowed anywhere near government”.

^ Boris clearly wants to kill this dead.^
< Cummings does, it this is a definite NO >

Asked why senior Conservative source thinks Farage and Banks are not fit and proper persons for Govt:

“All our experience of dealing with them leads us to believe that”.
Very tough to go back on that.

< but you think Cummings is a fit & proper person to be allwoed anywhere near govt ? 🤦🏻‍♀️ And BJ ?Confused >

NotJustACigar · 11/09/2019 13:24

How do you call someone like that?

A psychopath. Don't forget he also hashes everyone else. He's psychologically very much akin to a mass shooter but far more intelligent unfortunately.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/09/2019 13:24

Well, if they go back on that and do have a pact, an open goal for the Labour & co

lonelyplanetmum · 11/09/2019 13:24

Oh my goodness so many posts.

A not fully formulated thought from me is that surely the purpose of proroguing was to enable a no deal on Halloween or at least limiting the chances to oppose that.

The legislation to prevent No deal has now been passed- thereby diluting the purpose of the prorogation anyway.

The frugal and correct thing to do is to therefore concede defeat on the case, save the Supreme Court legal fees and just resume parliament now for 5 weeks.

Why spend all that money to avoid sitting for such s short period. Just sit.

The amount of money being spaffed on legal cases (which the government then loses) is huge. Eg May's insistence on appealing the case about triggering Art 50 without parliamentary approval. She should have just sought the approval as she eventually had to anyway and saved the fees.

In the same way the gov should just open parliament and sit now.

The basic point is that if a course of action is right then it can be promoted by skilled oration and debate. It should not be forced through by secrecy, games and tricks.

Ellie56 · 11/09/2019 13:26

Boris Johnson rules out election pact with Brexit Party. Senior Tory source: ‘Neither Nigel Farage not Arron Banks are fit and proper persons and they should never be allowed anywhere near government’ Hmm Grin

Pots and kettles spring to mind.

NoWordForFluffy · 11/09/2019 13:26

Has the senior Tory source seen who's in charge right now?! Pot calling kettle a touch there.

And in the first instance the Scottish Court said the same as the English one. This is the appeal. So the English appeal judges may well agree with the Scottish ones!

BigChocFrenzy · 11/09/2019 13:27

"I'm looking at the monarch now and thinking, hmm"

I'm looking at our head of state, in her 90s - and I wonder who is remembering "a good day to bury bad news"

In her case, it'd be a good week, at least

DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 13:27

Boris Johnson rules out election pact with Brexit Party.

As predicted.

It would have been electoral suicide for The Conservative and Unionist party to enter an election having admitted it could not win in it's own right.

Of course in countries with PR where parties are expected to play nicely, no one would have batted an eyelid.

CherryForFirstMinister · 11/09/2019 13:28
Shock

Honorific name change, nails shredded, no work getting done today!

DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 13:28

The amount of money being spaffed on legal cases (which the government then loses) is huge.

All relative, really.

MarshaBradyo · 11/09/2019 13:29

Gosh

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 11/09/2019 13:32

Neither Nigel Farage not Arron Banks are fit and proper persons and they should never be allowed anywhere near government
and according the the Scottish Courts, neither are you Mr Johnson Grin

ClashCityRocker · 11/09/2019 13:33

The election pact thing is interesting.

There's a subtext I'm missing here I think. I would be quite confident that a tory/brexit pact would secure a majority. Its very odd that they're so set against it...

Or do they think that there's enough moderate tories to put the kibosh on it? How many tories are there who are outspoken no-dealers who would be willing to stand on that basis?

MarshaBradyo · 11/09/2019 13:33

Pleased about Brexit party though

Tg for that

PerkingFaintly · 11/09/2019 13:34

“Neither Nigel Farage nor Arron Banks are fit and proper persons and they should never be allowed anywhere near government”.

Hasenstein · 11/09/2019 13:35

Breathless PMK and now back to speed-reading the thread!

MockersthefeMANist · 11/09/2019 13:36

CumBoy's shft to occupy the far-right ground is designed to squash Farage. The problem is this wish-fulfilment idea of the northern working class as stout patriots who will flock to vote Tory with enough promises of largesse from the tenner forests of Unicornland.

Having fielded his A-Team in the Euros, Farage's candidates will be a sight to behold. Expect revelations of past dodgy tweets, etc.

MrPan · 11/09/2019 13:37

"Strong and stable government"

Should be on a cushion design by now.

kingsassassin · 11/09/2019 13:38

From the Law Society Gazette just now:

"Lord chancellor Robert Buckland today appeared to hit back at Downing Street over briefings questioning the independence of the judiciary.

Buckland today responded almost immediately, tweeting: ‘Our judges are renowned around the world for their excellence and impartiality and I have total confidence in their independence in every case.’
It is the second time in a matter of days that Buckland has publicly addressed his responsibilities as lord chancellor. Rejecting speculation about his future and coming out in support of Boris Johnson, he said on Sunday: ‘We have spoken over the past 24 hours regarding the importance of the rule of law, which I as Lord Chancellor have taken an oath to uphold.’"

Good to have a Lord Chancellor who is actually a lawyer again after the dreadful Truss.

NoWordForFluffy · 11/09/2019 13:40

I bet Theresa is delighted that, no matter what her fuck ups, she didn't fuck up quite this badly.

MockersthefeMANist · 11/09/2019 13:40

Lord chancellor Robert Buckland today appeared to hit back at Downing Street over briefings questioning the independence of the judiciary.

That is a response to Liz Truss and her failure to defend the judiciary from the Enemies of the People attack in the tax exile press.

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