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Westminstenders: "I don't give a flying flamingo"

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RedToothBrush · 11/09/2019 11:18

Amid scenes parliament was shut down.

In an unprecedented comment the Speaker, stated it was not an ordinary prorogation and it was blatantly an attempt to stop the executive being held to account.

And now it seems a Scottish Court agree with him:
"Lord Brodie cont: "the principal reasons for the prorogation were to prevent or impede parliament holding the executive to account and legislating with regard to Brexit, and to allow the executive to pursue a policy of a no deal Brexit without further parliamentary interference"

Thus parliament must reopen. Unless the decision is overturned in a higher court.

This is constitutionally a big deal. The Queen is highly unlikely to attend a reopening, especially in this manner, due to how political it now is.

General Election campaigning has already began with parties trying to take full advantage of the fact that there are currently no rules over spending.

Dominic Cummings actively and openly campaigning for the Conservatives whilst paid as a civil servant by the tax payer is a huge breech of the Civil service code but MPs are struggling to pin the government down on this as its being obstructive.

Cummings is keen to use data to target and personalise people based on their usage of the .gov portal for Brexit. This is OK as its in the national interest apparently. Its also incredibly sinister and concerning about how this could be used against the population.

Anyway if you thought parliament closing would result in a lull in events you were very much mistaken!!

What next?

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prettybird · 11/09/2019 12:39

....just took me longer to write, including getting distracted by Kevin Maguire on the BBC Wink

ListeningQuietly · 11/09/2019 12:39

I have tickets to see Jonathan Pie live next month.
Poor sod must be struggling to think what to say with events moving underneath him so fast Grin

ImNotYourGranny · 11/09/2019 12:40

I'm so confused. In the Guardian it says that the Speakers Office have confirmed that parliament can only be reopened if the PM recalls parliament. How does that work if the PM is the one breaking the law to close it in the first place? Confused

Random18 · 11/09/2019 12:40

I think I speak for most Scots when I say we are immensely proud of our legal system.

Don't undermine it would be my only advise to the Govt.

JeSuisPoulet · 11/09/2019 12:46

#Yellowhammer is trending on Twitter atm

prettybird · 11/09/2019 12:46

I agree Random Smile

yolofish · 11/09/2019 12:48

well, bugger me bandy and call me Candy... MPs now converging on HoC I gather.

JeSuisPoulet · 11/09/2019 12:50

Just in case anyone still doubts whether the govt will abide by the law
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/11/treasury-under-fire-for-promoting-no-deal-brexit-duty-free-shopping

There were also questions about whether the government had inadvertently breached one of its own laws by promoting cheaper cigarettes. The Tobacco Advertising and Promotion Act 2002 states: “A person who in the course of a business publishes a tobacco advertisement, or causes one to be published, in the United Kingdom is guilty of an offence.”

Several people pointed out that since parliament had legislated this week to rule out a no-deal Brexit, the government was promoting a scenario that could only come about if it disregarded the law.

JeSuisPoulet · 11/09/2019 12:53

BBC Parliament currently has a DUP speaker on...are they back?

NoWordForFluffy · 11/09/2019 12:55

I'd think that as Parliament was not legally prorogued it doesn't need to be formally reconvened as it wasn't prorogued to start with!

JeSuisPoulet · 11/09/2019 12:55

Oh no, it's reruns on Proroguation night

dontcallmelen · 11/09/2019 12:59

Sorry thanks Red & everyone else.

prettybird · 11/09/2019 13:00

BBC had an MP talking to it from within the HoC - but as he said, it's still open for tours by school children.

Think that until the Mace is back in front of the Speaker's Chair, the HoC is not officially back in session.

Muses to self where the Speaker has secreted the Mace Wink

Basilpots · 11/09/2019 13:00

Interesting to see how Telegraph and DM will spin this repeat of enemies of the people ?

Wonder how the two front pages of The Sun will compare and contrast in England and Scotland.

Or they my just go with ‘Boris brings back duty free bonanza’.

prettybird · 11/09/2019 13:00

.....there we were thinking that these threads would start slowing down 😂

JeSuisPoulet · 11/09/2019 13:02

But we know there is a second mace...

BigChocFrenzy · 11/09/2019 13:02

Nah, we knew there'd be no lull for the wicked = BJ / Cum

JeSuisPoulet · 11/09/2019 13:03

Pretty maybe that's why Rees-Mogg slumped down on the bench after all... Wink

BoreOfWhabylon · 11/09/2019 13:05

Breathless pmk

NotaRealLawyer · 11/09/2019 13:11

You are all too fast for me!
Thank you again amazing people.

AutumnCrow · 11/09/2019 13:13

I'm looking at the monarch now and thinking, hmm, pointless pastel-dressed anachronism or a puppet capable of being manipulated by a bunch of dangerous parafascists.

NotJustACigar · 11/09/2019 13:14

Pmk damn I was hoping to catch up on the housework today, I suppose I'll just have to remain slatternly, oh well.

DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 13:14

Downing Street claims Scottish Cherry Case judges biased

DOWNING Street has gone on the attack after a humiliating judgement in Scotland's Court of Session ruled that Boris Johnson's decision to suspend Parliament was unlawful.

In remarks that have sparked outrage across the country, sources in No 10 claimed that the Scottish judges were politically biased against them.

Someone from Downing Street told the Sun journalist Tom Newton Dunn that the Scottish courts were never going to give the Tory government a fair hearing.

The source said: "We note that last week the High Court in London did not rule that prorogation was unlawful. The legal activists choose the Scottish courts for a reason.

Nicola Sturgeon tweeted: “This is pitiful, pathetic and desperate from No10.”

Theresa May’s former chief of staff, Gavin Barwell, urged caution. He tweeted: “This is a very unwise road for a party that believes in a) the Union and b) the rule of law to go down”.

Tory MSP, and constitutional law professor, Adam Tomkins agreed: "To politicians who don’t like court judgments: don’t attack the judges or the independence of the legal system. Don’t ever do that.

"Appeal, test your legal arguments in a superior court. Why does this even need saying?"

The party's acting leader in Scotland, Jackson Carlaw tweeted: "Let’s be very clear & I don’t much care where the sources are from who might suggest otherwise - we have absolute confidence in the independence and integrity of the Scottish judiciary."

And the UK Justice Secretary, Robert Buckland slapped down the unidentified Downing Street source. He tweeted: "Our judges are renowned around the world for their excellence and impartiality and I have total confidence in their independence in every case."

It's understood that the 75 MPs and Peers who first took the case to the Court of Session last month did so because England's high court doesn't sit in August.

In their sensational decision the three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, said the Tories were trying to stymie Parliament by proroguing the Commons in the run up to the Brexit deadline.

They also suggested the Prime Minister had misled the Queen.

The judgement of the Court of Session overturns last week’s ruling that progration was a purely political process.

Lawyers acting for 75 opposition MP and peers, led by the SNP’s Joanna Cherry, had argued that Johnson’s five week prorogation of Parliament in the run up to the Brexit deadline was designed to stifle parliamentary debate and was therefore in breach of the constitution.

The Court of Session agreed.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 11/09/2019 13:15

Pmk

BigChocFrenzy · 11/09/2019 13:15

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

Now the circle completes.
The PM’s official spokesman also now contradicts No10 sources:

“The Prime Minister has total confidence in the independence of the judiciary”.
So that’s clear.

< Hmm Clear until the next Cummings statement, but with obscenities to show he doesn't give a shit.
nice style with the anonymous briefing giving the dodgy line, while PM's hands are clean
or who is PM ? Not BJ >

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