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Westminstenders: "I don't give a flying flamingo"

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RedToothBrush · 11/09/2019 11:18

Amid scenes parliament was shut down.

In an unprecedented comment the Speaker, stated it was not an ordinary prorogation and it was blatantly an attempt to stop the executive being held to account.

And now it seems a Scottish Court agree with him:
"Lord Brodie cont: "the principal reasons for the prorogation were to prevent or impede parliament holding the executive to account and legislating with regard to Brexit, and to allow the executive to pursue a policy of a no deal Brexit without further parliamentary interference"

Thus parliament must reopen. Unless the decision is overturned in a higher court.

This is constitutionally a big deal. The Queen is highly unlikely to attend a reopening, especially in this manner, due to how political it now is.

General Election campaigning has already began with parties trying to take full advantage of the fact that there are currently no rules over spending.

Dominic Cummings actively and openly campaigning for the Conservatives whilst paid as a civil servant by the tax payer is a huge breech of the Civil service code but MPs are struggling to pin the government down on this as its being obstructive.

Cummings is keen to use data to target and personalise people based on their usage of the .gov portal for Brexit. This is OK as its in the national interest apparently. Its also incredibly sinister and concerning about how this could be used against the population.

Anyway if you thought parliament closing would result in a lull in events you were very much mistaken!!

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flouncyfanny · 11/09/2019 20:27

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RedToothBrush · 11/09/2019 20:28

David Allen Green@davidallengreen
Chatting to experienced news hack

"Number Ten needs more Girly Swots and fewer smart arses"

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PerkingFaintly · 11/09/2019 20:29

Is it wrong that, in my head, I hear silver hammer every time I see yellowhammer?

With a side order of "hammer of the scots"?

Such an unfortunate code name...

Threehoursfromhome · 11/09/2019 20:29

Twitter commentators are saying redacted point 15 is most likely about refineries, given the previous leaked report and therefore about possible fuel shortages, I would guess.

NotJustACigar · 11/09/2019 20:29

I would guess 15 will be about radioisotopes for treating cancer being unavailable leading to patient deaths. But the thing is, we will all be speculating and fearing the worst. Knowing that, it must be something pretty awful for govt to still decide to redact it!

RedToothBrush · 11/09/2019 20:31

Michael Dugan @mduganlpool
First read through #operationyellowhammer confirms: anyone lobbying for #NoDealBrexit has not the slightest clue what they are talking about; or is so cushioned from real world they needn't worry about things normal people have to worry about. Maybe latter explains PM & Co?

Note: admits serious problems - not least for Northern Ireland / Ireland. Some big understatements, e.g. on disruption to basic cross-border police and security cooperation. On citizens rights: repeats same mantra "broadly the same"... just hope you're not one of those affected.

Second read through #operationyellowhammer and you can't help but conclude: any Government that would allow this to happen to its own people constitutes a serious threat to national security? @nicholaswatt @lbcbreaking

I wonder what no 15 is? Something relating to national security perhaps?

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/09/2019 20:32

@red Although it says "worst case assumptions", it doesn't seem the "worst case" for a No Deal
e.g. correctly assesses the risk to water supply as low

I wonder if it is actually No Deal that is the worst case scenario for Brexit,
rather than that it is the worst case scenario of No Deal Hmm

As pp say, it looks about most likely / base scenario for No Deal:

. No Deal actually happening
. The EU doing as they have always said they have to and will do: treating the Uk as a 3rd country, with NO mini-deals
. The EU not alleviating any problems except unilaterally, in their own interests - also a stated for many months
. Higher food & fuel prices - presumably from expected Sterling fall + increased transport costs - would hit the poor harder than the rest of us

Also
. UK businesses not being prepared sufficiently, especially small & medium ones
. UK businesses thinking commercially, not like a public service

btw, interesting that of all the possible businesses & services, it specifically lists adult social care providers as being at risk due to inflation
Maybe because if they crash, we probably can't replace them in time before a great many vulnerable people die.

pumkinspicetime · 11/09/2019 20:34

This cannot be it though, I mean it may be the executive summary of something but is this actually it?
The charity I worked for had 100 times more planning every time they wanted to bring in one more service or take one away.
The LA likewise.
Where are the actual serious documents with details, risk assessments etc.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/09/2019 20:35

N0. 15 might be about cancer patients & isotopes, because of Leaving Euratom

Motheroffourdragons · 11/09/2019 20:35

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/09/2019 20:36

Let's speculate on which media outlet / journalist gets the No 15 scoop

Songsofexperience · 11/09/2019 20:36

That last p8int bigchoc about social care again shows how much of an extreme social Darwinist ideology this government promotes.
Next: eugenics. Lebensborn anyone?

frumpety · 11/09/2019 20:37

I wonder if 15 has anything to do with people being able to pay for stuff via debit cards or access cash via cashpoints ?

Grinchly · 11/09/2019 20:37

Broadly confirms the times stuff at W/e.
Agree 15 is refineries
V worried re smaller social care providers. Self funding. Have just moved my aged mother to a lovely, small, independent care home. Which was cheaper than the rough and ready chain one my Dad was in. maybe they had a smarter accountant. Just looked up their accounts but it's meaningless to me.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/09/2019 20:38

Why they are so desparate to keep it quiet:

Because this is all there is ?
Westministenders could add several more points !
And I would expect to see the plans to cope with each, if this were a business

Grinchly · 11/09/2019 20:39

I reckon it's not all there is.
This reads to me like an exec summary.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/09/2019 20:42

Every executive summary I've written or seen
would have next to each point a link which expands to an action plan, with required resources, timing etc

This looks like rubbish from a student, tbh
but I come from the science side, so maybe this is how govt planning works (/doesn't)

pumkinspicetime · 11/09/2019 20:43

It isn't how LA planning works.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/09/2019 20:44

Here would be different scenarios, at least 3 different levels of possible seriousness

twattymctwatterson · 11/09/2019 20:44

Pmk

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Songsofexperience · 11/09/2019 20:46

No one should be content with that flimsy excuse of a report.

pumkinspicetime · 11/09/2019 20:46

I would also expect timelines, deadlines, maybe some sort of traffic light system for each scenario.
This really cannot be the sum of the planning done around a no deal Brexit.

BilboBercow · 11/09/2019 20:46

Name change in honour of the main man

RedToothBrush · 11/09/2019 20:50

Alex Wickham@alexwickham
Govt source strongly denies they changed the heading on the Yellowhammer doc from ‘base’ to ‘worst case’ pre-publication

“It was always the worst case scenario.“

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