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Only 53 days to go!

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That is not the role of the supreme court, parliament is sovereign.

I'm not suggesting it can overturn primary or secondary legislation. But are you saying it can't find something like Benn's law to be incompatible with existing legislation? Are you sure?

Parliament will be suspended today for five weeks despite the ongoing crisis surrounding Brexit, Boris Johnson's spokesman has announced.

In a historical ceremony known as "prorogation" to take place once Commons business is concluded on Monday evening, MPs will be summoned to the House of Lords to hear a message from the Queen halting business in both houses until 14 October.

I've yet to see one Leave supporter on here drop the rhetoric and say, we must avoid No Deal at all costs. Not one

I agree with other Leave posters on here - I'd prefer a deal (personally, I'd be ok with an EFTA/EEA brexit) but if it came down to a choice between no-deal or no-Brexit then I'd go for no-deal.

Parliament needs to back a GE today - the current set up is a toxic swamp full of people pushing their own agendas & ideology with little regard for the manifestos they stood on at last GE.

Parliament needs to back a GE today - the current set up is a toxic swamp full of people pushing their own agendas & ideology with little regard for the manifestos they stood on at last GE.

The 2017 Conservative Manifesto promised an orderly exit, so all those pushing No Deal aren’t honouring their manifesto commitments.

As I said, little regard for 2017 manifestos across parliament

@DustyDiamond

Well said.

Of course leave voters would prefer no deal to no Brexit.

Good point about manifestos. Conservatives are standing by their manifesto. Labour have binned theirs.

Watch Emily Thornberry on last weeks Question Time. What a complete farce. She slagged Johnson as a liar, but couldn’t reply when challenged on the labour manifesto commitment on the referendum.

Parliament needs to back a GE today

Cannot happen until Johnson stops threatening to usurp/ circumvent the law.

The 2017 Conservative Manifesto promised an orderly exit, so all those pushing No Deal aren’t honouring their manifesto commitments.

Even though Page 36 of the 2017 Conservative Manifesto clearly says "we continue to believe that No Deal is better than a bad deal"?

Conservatives are standing by their manifesto.

We're as far from an orderly exit as can be!

"Why is anyone pushing for a no deal? What are the benefits for you individually and the UK?"

^ This. I have not heard one single argument in favour of no deal, only the same old emotional outbursts about 'sovereignty' and 'taking back control' and 'clean breaks' (and Leo Varadakar earlier on today made a very good point that no deal Brexit is nothing like a clean break).

I am getting to the point that I am wishing for no deal just so that people who are wishing for that are hit with the full-strength shitstorm and realise in full the extent of what they have wished for.

...But then, it will all still be the immigrants' fault or the Remoaners or Jeremy Corbyn's cat. Or the EU.

No matter of reality and data convinces those who have taken an ideological position. Because this is what it is, make no mistakes. The triumph of populism and ideology versus reason.

The 2017 Conservative Manifesto promised an orderly exit, so all those pushing No Deal aren’t honouring their manifesto commitments

Orderly exit is predicated on a deal being made. That has not yet happened and looks very unlikely.

So given the choice between no deal or no Brexit, it’s no deal for me.

*No matter of reality and data = no amount of reality and data

Parliament needs to back a GE today - the current set up is a toxic swamp full of people pushing their own agendas & ideology with little regard for the manifestos they stood on at last GE

Well they wont because no one trusts Johnson not to change the date of any GE till after the 31/10.
He lied over proroguing parliament, so that mistrust is well placed.

As Conti says, the Tories stood on an orderly brexit manifesto.

Obvious option to me is for EU to just remove backstop

WA should then pass Parliament

It's essentially a 2 year grace period to sort out future trade agreement which will then sort border problems

If border problems are not sorted by end of transition period then we're at the same point as we are now

It's a purely political situation - no deal now, or possible no deal in 2 years
Except the transitional period will have a definite end point so will focus minds more than has been so far, whilst extensions or revocation are always believed to be possible &/or available

Again, I refer to Page 36 of the 2017 Conservative Party Manifesto.

"We continue to believe that No Deal is better than a bad deal".

Fairly clear, I would have thought.

If only Barnier hadn't been so intransigent at the beginning by refusing to discuss future trading arrangements in tandem with divorce agreement

And if only May hadn't capitulated on that very important point

If only the EU hadn't been interested in protecting their market, the selfish bastards. Don't they know who we are?

If only Barnier hadn't been so intransigent at the beginning by refusing to discuss future trading arrangements in tandem with divorce agreement

Fully agree, DustyDiamond. Especially as Article 50 makes it clear that a withdrawal agreement should only be considered "taking account of its future relationship with the Union".

I guess neither Michel Barnier nor Theresa May understood what they were reading either.

Doesn't The Brexit Arms have "it's someone else's fault " tacked up on a sign over the bar?

It's the fault of those charged with facilitating it.

EU negotiators, UK negotiators & MPs in Parliament.

The buck stops with them.

If only Barnier hadn't been so intransigent at the beginning by refusing to discuss future trading arrangements in tandem with divorce agreement

Which violates Article 50. EU moved the goalposts in January 2017 after the referendum. In legal terms that is BAD FAITH

"Doesn't The Brexit Arms have "it's someone else's fault " tacked up on a sign over the bar?"

Oh yes. It's written in an appealing yet easy-to-read Comic Sans font and it's beautifully decorated with your finest silk Union Jack bunting interspersed with England flags. Latin translation available for those who like their mottoes lisped out by Mogg.

GE on 15th Oct, remove backstop from WA, sign off on WA & move onto future trade agreements on 01 Nov.

Easy.

Well it should be...
But Brexit-blockers in Parliament are refusing to budge & EU are refusing to budge.

The current clusterfuck is purely political.

Sounds like they've added extra blu tack to the "it's somebody else's fault " sign.

If only the EU hadn't been interested in protecting their market, the selfish bastards

EU can protect their market by putting borders up if they wish. UK is not preventing borders going up.