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Hold the line Brexiters!!

Nearly there...

Only 53 days to go!

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The conclusion is that even they do not see what they may be

That's you personal conclusion, but not those in Govt who are pressing ahead with the vote to leave.

And if you want to compare to the cost of EU membership then you can also compare it to the £600 million per week that Brexit has cost the UK since June 2016

All the more reason not to keep extending Article 50.

If you think "in parliament " and "in government " are interchangeable, your knowledge on the basics needs some work.
If Johnson can get enough Labour MPs to support an NI only backstop just to get the damn thing over with, he doesn't need DUP or ERG.

All the more reason not to keep extending Article 50

All the more reason for Johnson to do some serious negotiations for the Great Deal he promised the country in July 2017.

That's you personal conclusion, but not those in Govt who are pressing ahead with the vote to leave

At last! like pulling teeth.... we finally get to the only reason, the govt wants it.

we finally get to the only reason, the govt wants it

To leave yes

If Johnson can get enough Labour MPs to support an NI only backstop just to get the damn thing over with, he doesn't need DUP or ERG

Sounds easy enough, but it seems to have been Labour Policy since the 2017 GE to push for another GE. So they voted against the WA every time in the hope it would make the Conservative Party look bad and hopefully force a GE.

Labour got excited when they won 40% of the vote in 2017, but forgot that it was attributable to students being told that loans would be scrapped. Corbyn later said that it was not a commitment.

In every episode of Question Time since 2017 GE the labour MPs were arguing for a general election up until Farage's Brexit party topped the EU elections and labour's supported dropped from 40% to less than 20% at one point.

Although not completely committed to, or confirmed by, the labour party are now a remain supporter. So any WA put forward to parliament to leave the EU will not be supported by labour as they are a remain party. Their hope is to delay Brexit as long as possible so that it is forgotten and never happens.

So labour have effectively replaced the DUP and ERG in terms of opposition to WA, but for different reasons.

DUP wants GFA to be burned. ERG wants no deal. Labour want to remain.

All three result in WA being rejected.

I've just reread the £9 million taxpayer-paid Government leaflet.

On Page 6, it makes it clear that we will "lose full access to the Single Market". It's fairly clear. Clear enough that I understood it. What I don't understand is the number of MPs who also, presumably, read it but didn't understand it.

On Page 14, it says - quite unequivocally -

This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.

I guess the same MPs didn't really understand that either.

Curiously, the leaflet makes no mention whatsoever of Northern Ireland, the risk of increased terrorism, the Good Friday Agreement, etc. Perhaps because it's a bilateral agreement between the UK and Ireland and perhaps it's because, as Lord Trimble repeatedly points out: the backstop would be a breach of the GFA.

I wouldn't know. I'm no expert on the GFA. But David Trimble is. He was one of its architects and I'm happy to trust that he knows what he's talking about.

And every other expert on GFA who was directly involved in it says it wouldn't. Do you only listen to people who agree with you?

Name one. In government. Or do you not know what "in government " means.

Sajid Javid, Ben Wallace, Matt Hancock, Gavin Williamson, Liz Truss, Grant Shapps, Robert Jenrick, Baroness Evans, Julian Smith, Alok Sharma, Nicky Morgan.

All voted Remain.

When she accepted a Cabinet post, Amber Rudd was told quite clearly - as the others were - that it meant signing up to the government position that we would leave on 31st October, with or without a deal.

Perhaps she didn't understand that either. Or perhaps the lure of a ministerial car and a red box was too good to turn down.

It's an international agreement registered at the UN. So not exactly an agreement on road repairs between Surrey and London.

And are these people you list all blocking no Deal? Are they all more powerful than the PM. 😂

And are these people you list all blocking no Deal? Are they all more powerful than the PM

I never suggested either. How did you come to that conclusion?

Another Leave poster has claimed that Remainers in government are stopping Brexit.

I’m no particular fan of the Tory’s but good for any of those who voted against no deal - at least they realised how bad that would be even for any of their constituency who voted to leave.

Another Leave poster has claimed that Remainers in government are stopping Brexit.

Then you can't be referring to me after all, Bellini. I simply named those in government who voted Remain. I'm pleased we cleared that up. If there's anything I can't stand, it's people who try to put words in my mouth. Or imply I write invisible words in invisible ink

By the way, I forgot to add Robert Buckland to the list. He voted Remain too.

I wouldn’t worry too much about Buckland - he’ll have to step down as soon as Johnson tries to cross the line.

I didn't say it was you. I asked said poster twice to name Remainers in government to back in their silly claim. You replied.

You mean if he tries to cross the line. The Supreme Court may have to decide if Benn's law is a good and valid one.

I didn't say it was you. I asked said poster twice to name Remainers in government to back in their silly claim. You replied.

Thank you for clarifying, Bellini. However, you also said, "And are these people you list all blocking no Deal? Are they all more powerful than the PM"

As I was the only poster to actually list people, I naturally assumed you were talking to me. So I replied.

As I say, so glad we've cleared that up.

You keep clutching at that straw

It's not the only one, ContinuityError

I don't read either but both the Mail and the Sun contend that Boris will take it to the Supreme Court. Meanwhile, the Times reports that Jean-Yves Le Drian is adamant that France would veto any request for extension unless there was a second referendum or a GE. Guy Verhoefstadt says the same.

Many a slip 'twixt cup and lip, and all that.

I don't read either but both the Mail and the Sun contend that Boris will take it to the Supreme Court.

I’m sure the Sun and the Mail will contend anything they want - they are playing to a particular gallery. Ultimately it’s just noise.

Legal opinion seems pretty clear that the Bill can’t be circumvented.

The Supreme Court may have to decide if Benn's law is a good and valid one

I think you are clutching at straws here.

That is not the role of the supreme court, parliament is sovereign.

Why is anyone pushing for a no deal? What are the benefits for you individually and the UK?