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Prorogation happens all the time.

Major was accused of proroguing parliament to prevent MP s debating a report into expenses, however, the GE date was set, so prorogation was going to happen in any case, that debate would have had no tangible effect on anyone's lives.

The Scottish courts have unanimously ruled that BJ's decision was to shut down Parliament to avoid the fundamental democratic process and it is a civil court, so of course he has broken no law.

It will be interesting to see what the Supreme court will do.

time4chocolate Wed 11-Sep-19 15:44:43

Guess that's indyref 2 down the pan then?

Exactly what I was thinking too!!

So explain - without namecalling. Because I can't see the connection.

Really!?!

Kettle and pot again @MysteryTripAgain

@cementwoman

Westminster has to allow indeyref. Caveat was that a material change has to happen before Scotland can have another referendum.

So if they bugger Brexit they can't have another referendum as there is no material change.

Strange place Scotland. Bang on about independence from UK, but want to be in a union that makes them controlled by Brussels.

English judgement on prorogation.

"The prime minister’s decision to prorogue parliament for five weeks was a political matter and not one that should be reviewed by the courts, English judges have declared." #awkward #arewehavingfunyet

www.theguardian.com/law/2019/sep/11/english-judges-explain-decision-to-reject-prorogation-challenge

Sorry for X-post. I see others are just as up to date.

Bellini what Scottish Law precisely is Boris alleged to have broken? AFAIK there are none directly pertaining to the matter. It is true to say that Scottish Law does give more interpretative latitude. Wise decision to pass to Supreme Court since, despite the different legal systems, it is a jointly constituted court (ie covers whole of UK - for real nerds the Scottish judge dissented from the judgement in the Art 50 case)

Thought the court of session was Scotlands highest civil court?

They've ruled on the interpretation of why he did it.

Wonder if the N Irish courts will have to unprorogue Stormont when they decide on Westminster on Thursday?

If the protesting MPs are serious why don't they just reconvene in Westminster Hall per Rory's suggestion? Must be in a real bind when they are this desperate to avoid Party Conference bun fights. #shouldhaveagreedaGE

@howabout unlike the judges in the Court of Session I am not an expert in Scottish Law. I suspect you aren't either. The appeal will be heard by the Supreme Court. If you or I don't like their decision, I suspect the answer is Tough Shit. You could try the ECJ 😂😂😂

Nope jasjas - that would be the Supreme Court (was formally the HoL till Tony B constructed the Supreme Court. They kept having outcry every time a bunch of English Law Lords wrongly decided a Scottish case. Now they have protocols on which judges hear what iirc)

As Scotland is already in a Union with England, why is it odd that a sovereign Scottish government might choose to be in a Union with someone else?

.... How would they sleep at night knowing they pissed off 17.4 million people.

^^well, firstly they have degraded and tried to dehumanise the leave voters as thick, stupid, uneducated etc..
They have tried to imply leave voters shouldn't have had a vote.
They have told themselves the people didn't know what they were voting for and are misguided.
They have in this narrative of leavers not knowing what they are voting for... Said they based info on corrupt campaign.
The rest of the poor under those brackets are written off as turkies voting for Xmas.

Then the middle classes are just rich and all disaster capitalists...

To many people the 21 look like traitors/quislings. BelleHathor

Doesn't that sort of language worry you?

I’ve totally lost track of it all but whatever happens there has to be 100% guarantee that it will never be a no deal exit.

Two fingers, degenerating voters worries me more.

Howabout

Nope what?

Do you mean 'denigrating'?

bellini did you read what I posted?

jasjas this explains it quite well. The key is in when is Supreme not Supreme - typical legalise

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Session

Sorry, posted too soon. If you do mean denegrating, then I guess you're referring to the hyperbolic points in your post at 16.48. I think there's no doubt that the Leave campaign was corrupt and illegal, but most of what you say is nonsense trotted out by leavers mainly. ie. I've seen many, many more Leavers pretending they've been called thick, etc., than I've seen actual posts saying this about them.
Will you admit there's been unpleasantness on both sides and that it is disgusting to call people traitors/enemies of the people etc? Never mind the name calling, perhaps you'd care to recollect and reflect on the horrific xenophobic attacks carried out by Leavers immediately post-referendum and the violence that continues to be carried out by many of its supporters (eg. last Saturday).

Gah! Such a slow and poor typist! *'denigrating', not 'denegrating'!

No 10 are resisting pressure to recall Parliament - Boris and his team are pathetic. They won’t come back because they can’t explain they are doing nothing to avoid a no deal Brexit.

Sorry to butt into this thread. I don’t understand this though? If BJ doesn’t have a deal by 19 Oct he has to by law ask for an extension, so provided EU agree to an extension then no deal on 31 Oct is illegal - is that correct?

The whole legal/not legal proregation court cases are just about wanting to say that Boris has broken the law and to get him back to Parliament so that they can put him on the spot and laugh at him. As it stands at the moment, Parliament sitting in the next 5 weeks won’t actually affect Brexit at all will it?

As it stands at the moment, Parliament sitting in the next 5 weeks won’t actually affect Brexit at all will it?

Agreed, especially if the Government doesn't present any Aunt Sally targets. More likely to expose more Remainer infighting but better to do it to each other in Parliament than have a bit fratricide at Party conferences - excuse the colourful language twofingers but bellini has in fact just accused me of being as ignorant as her.

I’ve totally lost track of it all but whatever happens there has to be 100% guarantee that it will never be a no deal exit

Who will provide that guarantee?

I think a lot of the objections to proroguing parliament were genuinely because other (non-Brexit-related) bills will not now get passed, eg the domestic violence bill. BJ chose to prorogue to serve his own Brexit-related aims.
IMO outrage is valid, and proroguing should not be applauded just because it serves your ideological aims.