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Hold the line Brexiters!!

Nearly there...

Only 53 days to go!

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As in properly over as opposed to No deal which entails exactly the same stuff as an agreed deal, except with 27 pissed off countries.

Johnson will either have to resign or ask for an extension

I think he will resign.

France is talking about a 2 year one! i can almost see Mummy and Copper imploding!

I think I would too - anyone who wants another two years of this needs to give their head a serious wobble

Johnson will either have to resign or ask for an extension
He's always got the 'dead in a ditch' opinion.

Knock me down with a feather! we agree!!!

Not a fan of even joking about dead politicians, BJ was very wrong to make that remark, Jo Cox did end up dead.

I hope he revokes and then resigns - two wins!

It does seem to me that a three month extension is probably too short.

Ok if there was a majority Tory brexit government they would just take us out, probably with no deal.

If there was a majority Liberal Democrat government we would Revoke Article 50.

However any other result would probably lead to a People's Vote which would need more time.

I hope he revokes and then resigns - two wins!

Or two loses!

He doesn’t revoke, he resigns as PM but stays on as Tory leader and goes on to win the GE that follows.

Knock me down with a feather! we agree!!!

Strange times Jas

I think it'll go like that article suggests

He'll resign when Queen's Speech voted down. 'Unity govt' will form & request extension then we'll have GE.

Tories campaign on Brexit deal (but no-deal on table), with Lib Dems as Revoke & Remain. Labour with their convoluted fuck up of a brexit policy & Brexit Party taking them on in Leave constituencies (possible non aggression pact with Tories)

Fresh in voters minds are that 'unity govt' delayed Brexit, and the Parliament vs the people narrative

There will be a humungous billions deal with DUP to agree an NI only backstop.

It's a no brainer now. Unless we exit with no deal (disaster sorry and you all know it), or stay in.

DUP are the kingpins. Deal with it.

If there was a majority Liberal Democrat government we would Revoke Article 50

I thought they were running on a PV policy? Can’t seem them revoking A50 without at PV first.

I thought they were running on a PV policy? Can’t seem them revoking A50 without at PV first
It was on the TV today, their policy is that a majority Liberal Democrat government we would Revoke Article 50. They are including a PV as their policy if they dont win a majority aka coalition.

Dusty, that article is where I predict it will go too, Boris resigns, Corbyn has to either revoke or go to Brussels to request extension. Johnson can then run on a "people vs parliament" ticket the optics don't look good for Labour. 700 thousand people watched BBC parliament during the passage of the Benn Bill and to ordinary people it will look like a power grab by remainers assisted by Bercow. The remain/revoke MPs along with the Media are making Boris look sympathetic and themselves
look obstructive. Cummings is like Bannon to Trump, remember the day before the 2016 American election Hillary had a 90% chance of winning.

walkingdeadfangirl - thanks👍🏻, I hadn’t heard that.

YY Belle, they've played all their parts exactly as predicted.

Agree with Time4 as well - I was fucked off with just about all MPs until this week, then watching the power grab & theatrics playing out this week really hardened me against the opposition lot.

The optics of Corbyn, Blackford et al shouting & hollering about Boris & co being a disgusting, despicable dictatorship then immediately refusing a GE was gobsmacking in its stupidity - just showed them up to be party-politicking, game-playing charlatans.

They can play up the 'putting the country first' narrative til they're blue in the face now but their actions speak loud & expose their words as being hollow. Their interests are only in having power, to further their own agendas & to humiliate the govt - nothing more - and it's been clear to everyone watching.

Yep, I've spent the whole last week jaw open, thinking did you really say that? Do you have no advisers the cherry on top being Emily Thornberry on Question Time with the negotiate a deal then campaign against it 🤔. What have we done to deserve such mediocre representatives? I would actually respect MPs more if they came straight out and said "Yes, you voted Brexit, but you are too stupid to make that decision so we are going to ignore it" or "We're scared shitless of making the wrong decision and being punished for it at the polls, so we are going to try and subvert your decision" rather than couching it in the "We're just trying to look after you".

The Benn Act allows EU to control the length of extension. Nothing to prevent EU from saying extension requested by UK is too short.

They could offer a 40 extension if they wanted to on the logic UK was in EU for 40 years so it will take the same time for UK to untangle all work that was previously done.

So EU now control how long the UK taxpayer has to pay £1 Billion per month to the EU. Both France and Germany economy’s are wobbly and Italy is close to being the next Greece. Hence EU will want the extension to be as long as possible as UK is the third largest donor to the EU.

So Labour want to negotiate a remain deal so they can have a referendum of remain verses remain.

How would that even be legal, where is leave option? WTF?

@Walkingdeadfangirl

Watch Question Time episode 5 September 2019. Emily Thornberry (Labour) said she would negotiate a leave deal with the EU that protected Jobs and then campaign to remain in the EU.

Labour are struggling as even now their Brexit Policy is not clear.

At least the LibDems and SNP have made it clear that their policy is to revoke and remain.

The Benn Act allows EU to control the length of extension. Nothing to prevent EU from saying extension requested by UK is too short.

Yep!

But the disingenuous politicians pushing it through, instead of being honest about their intent, exclaim
"But read the next clause! It has to be approved by Parliament so it's not in the hands of the EU!"
All the while ploughing on with the delusion that we're too stupid to see that the toxic Parliament we're stuck with will vote it through, because the Brexit-blocking, anti-democracy 'alliance' has the majority - as evidenced by their actions over the last week.

Uh? How can it be anti democratic when Parliament has voted for it?

You know they are representatives not delegates?

The length of any extension will be up for negotiation, the EU cannot just dictate it, they wanted a longer extension last time round but May limited it to 31/10.

because the Brexit-blocking, anti-democracy 'alliance' has the majority
Well if they have a majority that's because we voted each and every one of them in, so how is it undemocratic? In the last election most people (54%) voted for parties with 'no deal' explicitly ruled out in their manifesto.

I think we've put MPs in a terrible position frankly. In the 2016 referendum the public voted for a policy that on just about all expert measures would be enormously damaging, even threatening the peace and union, the vote itself was also surrounded in corruption and illegality. They're now getting death threats and have violent mobs waiting for them outside parliament demanding they push through the most extreme version of this vote.

I still don't like the sea border.
I thought DUP said no to it. Does not also leave it as different trading arrangements which was part of the problem in the first place.