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Westminstenders: The Rule of Law

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 14:16

We enter week 2 of what might be considered 'the end game'.

The Conservative Party has made it clear that liberals are not welcome in their ranks. It has become the Brexit Party.

Farage is talking of a pact, though Javid has said no. What would Javid know though, he's only in the Cabinet.

Amber Rudd has resigned. She will run as an independent in an unnamed constituency at the next election. The assumption must therefore be she has been talking to a few people this week about this, though whether that means she is a 'One Nation Tory' independent candidate or simply an independent isn't clear.

Some think that her departure will deal Johnson yet another blow at the polls. Others think as the cabinet members with the worst satisfaction rating amongst tory party members this will be viewed positively by leavers and give Johnson a bounce in the polls.

It been reported that Cummings has overruled Johnson on at least key decisions this week which raises the question of who is in charge and running the show.

Cummings has promised to make us all melt in the coming weeks as he takes a sledge hammer to constitutional convention. He's advised no 10 staff to be 'cool like Fonzies'. A reference to pulp fiction and to happy days. As some have commented if you think about Cummings as some one who has watched too much Tarantino it does make him make a lot more sense.

There are suggestions that Johnson will break the rule of law in refusing to ask for an extension and the No10 have a trick up their sleeve over loopholes. The most obvious thing here being to offer the EU a deal they can't possibly refuse agree too to smear them and to then make it impossible for the EU to agree to an extension which noises out of France seem to suggest anyway.

Tomorrow is going to be interesting...

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MockersthefeMANist · 08/09/2019 17:53

I wonder how the rest of the world would react to the UKs petulance, when the UK then has to go grubbing for deals?

It is as if there were some sort of flaw in a strategy of breaking all our existing contracts then going looking for people to sign new contracts with....

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 17:58

DG Heart-warming life story and then the sadness of how far we have sunk
1984 was before the rise of the hard right hate army

(Orwell's predictions were a few decades too early)

JeSuisPoulet · 08/09/2019 18:00

Actually if the EU clearly spelled out the UK was in breach of it's own duty - i.e democracy in UK is dead - it would be a get out clause for them too. It foists the main debate back onto the UK and the state of our democracy to the world, which will not work out in our favour in geo-politics. Leavers might even thank EU for being direct but remainers wouldn't be too amazed given the state of our "democracy" atm.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 18:00

The CCA requires regulations to be approved by MPs within 7 days and any changes are deemed to be secondary rather than primary legislation.
They might try to use it but I think it will be messy and possibly ineffective. It also kills any pretence of democracy which would upset a lot of people on both sides of the debate.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 18:01

" wonder how the rest of the world would react to the UKs petulance, when the UK then has to go grubbing for deals?"

Trump won't care:we still have to bend over
Dictators won't care: they'll welcome a prospective new member. How the mighty have fallen

Democracies: will give us a swerve

NoWordForFluffy · 08/09/2019 18:01

If the CCA kicks in, we end up no deal with all the resulting consequences. Is BoJo unilaterally able to call an election using CCA powers? Even if he can, effects of no deal will be evident before an election takes place, given the minimum notice period.

I'm not sure using those powers will help him maintain his 'blame others' rhetoric.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 18:02

The problem is with that 7 day limit is that BJ can repeal the Kinnock bill say 20 October, then run down the time

flouncyfanny · 08/09/2019 18:04

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 18:05

The repeal would be challenged in court as it is necessary to prevent or deal with the emergency.

Parliament can also reject new regulations and would reject this one.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 18:05

He can at least make a case in court that he is not obliged to ask for an extension

With CCA and probably - whipped up - civil disorder, judges will want to be very sure before jailing a PM

afaik, MPs can still call a VoNC because this takes priority over all other Parliamentary business
So, we are back to whether Swinson & co think JC is scarier than all this, or whether JC steps aside

... if he steps aside, it might be a gift to all other parties in the GE

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 18:06

it is not necessary

Myriade · 08/09/2019 18:07

DG reading that post in a train full of people wasn’t the best place.
Even if I had heard that before.

JeSuisPoulet · 08/09/2019 18:08

To me personally it is quite clear a lot of Leavers don't want us to have any say in Parliament and see debate as frustrating the will of the people. The longer this is perceived to go on the stronger their support for "messy" CCA will be. If we start seeing real effects from ND when CCA is already in force then the goal posts that Parliament have to debate around it's need/use will change on a daily basis.

Myriade · 08/09/2019 18:08

If JC steps aside WHO is going to replace him???

pigeononthegate · 08/09/2019 18:08

I believe American preppers refer to those bags as "bugout bags"

Have seen them referred to in the UK as "Oh fuck rucksacks"

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 18:08

I have no doubt there will be attempted chicanery but I am not sure the CCA is the route. It’s too well known and analysed. Everyone is prepared for an attempt to use it.

Hoooo · 08/09/2019 18:09

Will be sorting through my ohfucksack tomorrow.

And crying, probably.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 18:09

imo, Cummings would love the powers that CCA would give and be very tempted to invoke it,

even just to bring about the atmosphere - before a GE - of an emergency that needs strong govt

The combination of CCA and a govt that regards breaking the law as an option is scary indeed

Driedlimes · 08/09/2019 18:10

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude
Agreeing with you again.
CCA part 2 s19/20 indicate that any regs made pursuant to the act must be for mitigating the emergency ( I'm paraphrasing).

I think repealing the Extension Act couldn't conceivably fall within the definition & would be subject to immediate & successful urgent JR.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 18:12

Neither our Constitution nor our MPs are properly equipped to del with a govt that just doesn't give a damn about
conventions or laws

Certainly not if it is necessary to bring them to account within only a few days

JeSuisPoulet · 08/09/2019 18:13

Meanwhile, those impact reports are seeing impacts on the ground

ND Leaver now on FB laughing about how if MP's don't respect his vote to leave they will be out of a job...ah, democracy.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 18:13

How long can JR be delayed, appealed etc to run down time - it may only be a few days until No Deal

dontcallmelen · 08/09/2019 18:14

PMK as ever thanks to Red & all the other excellent posters.

Basilpots · 08/09/2019 18:14

www.thelacanianreviews.com/the-charlatans-little-box-of-tricks/

Popping this here for your reference.

Nice easily digestible breakdown of Leave Campaign just to remind ourselves of what to expect over the next few weeks. As it all gets cranked up to maximum again.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 18:19

Peter Foster Retweeted Matt Frei@mattfrei

Put money on @BorisJohnson^ resigning before EU summit,^
get caretaker PM to ask for extension,

play victim, hope to win election on outrage

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