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Westminstenders: The Rule of Law

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 14:16

We enter week 2 of what might be considered 'the end game'.

The Conservative Party has made it clear that liberals are not welcome in their ranks. It has become the Brexit Party.

Farage is talking of a pact, though Javid has said no. What would Javid know though, he's only in the Cabinet.

Amber Rudd has resigned. She will run as an independent in an unnamed constituency at the next election. The assumption must therefore be she has been talking to a few people this week about this, though whether that means she is a 'One Nation Tory' independent candidate or simply an independent isn't clear.

Some think that her departure will deal Johnson yet another blow at the polls. Others think as the cabinet members with the worst satisfaction rating amongst tory party members this will be viewed positively by leavers and give Johnson a bounce in the polls.

It been reported that Cummings has overruled Johnson on at least key decisions this week which raises the question of who is in charge and running the show.

Cummings has promised to make us all melt in the coming weeks as he takes a sledge hammer to constitutional convention. He's advised no 10 staff to be 'cool like Fonzies'. A reference to pulp fiction and to happy days. As some have commented if you think about Cummings as some one who has watched too much Tarantino it does make him make a lot more sense.

There are suggestions that Johnson will break the rule of law in refusing to ask for an extension and the No10 have a trick up their sleeve over loopholes. The most obvious thing here being to offer the EU a deal they can't possibly refuse agree too to smear them and to then make it impossible for the EU to agree to an extension which noises out of France seem to suggest anyway.

Tomorrow is going to be interesting...

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cherin · 09/09/2019 19:39

You're so very right, Poulet, it’s not a raging you should apologie for. It’s fair that this causes people to get angry, because it’s just no right.
I think history will not look kindly on the current cabinet; will not justify any of these secrets; will show clearly that the “people” have been played and their “will” is just manipulated, not much differently that how their spending habits or tastes can be manipulated.
I made th mistake of reading some of the comments on he BBC news page. It’s always depressing, but today it looks like even more than usual, as there’s more people ranting about “clean cuts” and “abuse of remainers” etc

Motheroffourdragons · 09/09/2019 19:40

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prettybird · 09/09/2019 19:40

"Binding on the house" is not, however law Sad

It might be binding by convention but that is different Angry In these circumstances, I don't see the Government abiding by convention Confused We are living through the Looking Glass Angry

JeSuisPoulet · 09/09/2019 19:41

I think we should refer to Yellowhammer as The No Deal Manifesto.

SistemaAddict · 09/09/2019 19:41

I've found this Grin It's going on my Christmas list!

Westminstenders: The Rule of Law
Songsofexperience · 09/09/2019 19:44

The No Deal Manifesto

The new state religion.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:44

Aubrey Allegretti @breeallegretti
Worth noting this from Erskine May on Humble Addresses, after criticism the Grieve motion requests messages discussing prorogation on personal phones/ un-official platforms.

"Papers should be ordered only on subjects which are of public or official character."

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flouncyfanny · 09/09/2019 19:44

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prettybird · 09/09/2019 19:44

Going to be hard pushed to decide between Part 2 of The Rise of the Nazis on BBC 2 at 9, or to watch the the real time Rise of the Nazis underway in the HoC Sad

Too many parallels Sad

Songsofexperience · 09/09/2019 19:45

They'd better move sharpish before correspondence gets deleted etc.

BirdOffTheWire · 09/09/2019 19:45

OK. Not a Corbyn fan. But he's not doing badly now.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:45

Chris Hanretty @chrishanretty
Can documents be laid before the HoC when it is prorogued, as Grieve's motion requires?

Coregroupdespondent @americanist9
No - deposited in the Journal Office But House has to be sitting for it be be counted.

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:47

Deepak Trepathi @deepak_trepathi
Now Grieve's motion has been passed in Parliament, if No 10 refuses to comply, could the Supreme Court possibly order No 10 to hand over the documents before 17 September, citing the supremacy of Parliament over executive's? @StevePeers, @davidallengreen @JolyonMaugham

Steve Peers @stevepeers
Not sure how this works from here.

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flouncyfanny · 09/09/2019 19:48

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:48

Debate on the rule of law and we have this gem

Parly @parlyapp
Point of order @Anna_Soubry wants to know why a law officer isn’t responding to the emergency debate

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Basilpots · 09/09/2019 19:49

Not sure the vote is legally binding is it?

Still won’t look good if they refuse will look like they are hiding something.

Which they are.

flouncyfanny · 09/09/2019 19:50

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:51

Sam Coates Sky @samcoatessky
A source says that the Cabinet Office is always at pains to point out to people that's no defence. It could be two tin cans and a piece of string as a medium, I'm told, but it's official if the conversation is government business

The point is to protest to try to discredit the opposition, the courts and Human rights to their supporters.

They can also delay and frustrate.

They don't have to win or be right.

It's optics again I'm afraid.

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:52

Still won’t look good if they refuse will look like they are hiding something

They won't look good to Remainers.

To Brexiteers, see my post above....

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Songsofexperience · 09/09/2019 19:55

Yes, brexiteers WANT to outrage, they WANT the unacceptable. The more shocking the better.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:58

Independents who supported Grieve

  • Heidi Allen
  • Guto Bebb
  • Nick Boles
  • Ken Clarke
  • Frank Field
  • David Gauke
  • Justine Greening
  • Dominic Grieve
  • Sam Gyimah
  • Lady Hermon
  • Kelvin Hopkins
  • Sir Oliver Letwin
  • Stephen Lloyd

14 abstained inc
Lots of abstentions on the Grieve motion from:

  • Caroline Spelman
  • Alistair Burt
  • Philip Hammond
  • Richard Harrington
  • Margot James
  • Anne Milton
  • Amber Rudd
  • Antoinette Sandbach
  • Gavin Shuker
  • Sir Nicholas Soames
  • Ed Vaizey

Nos included

  • John Mann (Labour now in government!)
  • Richard Benyon
  • Steve Brine
  • Greg Clark
  • Stephen Hammond
  • Caroline Noakes
  • Rory Stewart
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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:59

Hoey abstained

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prettybird · 09/09/2019 19:59

It probably is going to be iPlayer for the historical version and I'll watch the history in the making version in real time Sad

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 09/09/2019 20:01

Did Hoey do that accidentally?

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 20:01

Simon Dedman @sidedman
No one from the government is responding to @jeremycorbyn emergency debate on the PM upholding the law. Tory backbenchers are responding instead led by Peter Bone

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