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Westminstenders: The Rule of Law

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 14:16

We enter week 2 of what might be considered 'the end game'.

The Conservative Party has made it clear that liberals are not welcome in their ranks. It has become the Brexit Party.

Farage is talking of a pact, though Javid has said no. What would Javid know though, he's only in the Cabinet.

Amber Rudd has resigned. She will run as an independent in an unnamed constituency at the next election. The assumption must therefore be she has been talking to a few people this week about this, though whether that means she is a 'One Nation Tory' independent candidate or simply an independent isn't clear.

Some think that her departure will deal Johnson yet another blow at the polls. Others think as the cabinet members with the worst satisfaction rating amongst tory party members this will be viewed positively by leavers and give Johnson a bounce in the polls.

It been reported that Cummings has overruled Johnson on at least key decisions this week which raises the question of who is in charge and running the show.

Cummings has promised to make us all melt in the coming weeks as he takes a sledge hammer to constitutional convention. He's advised no 10 staff to be 'cool like Fonzies'. A reference to pulp fiction and to happy days. As some have commented if you think about Cummings as some one who has watched too much Tarantino it does make him make a lot more sense.

There are suggestions that Johnson will break the rule of law in refusing to ask for an extension and the No10 have a trick up their sleeve over loopholes. The most obvious thing here being to offer the EU a deal they can't possibly refuse agree too to smear them and to then make it impossible for the EU to agree to an extension which noises out of France seem to suggest anyway.

Tomorrow is going to be interesting...

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SistemaAddict · 09/09/2019 18:27

So basically there'll be 2.5 weeks to secure a deal after prorogation? Confused or will BumJump spend 5 weeks doing something, anything, to get a deal?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/09/2019 18:27

Ben Bradshaw
@BenPBradshaw
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Really disappointing move by Green MEP
@MollyMEP
to stand against Labour’s excellent MP
@DavidEDrew
in #Stroud, a very tight Labour/Tory marginal en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroud_(UK_Parliament_constituency) This can only help the Tories & make #brexit more likely. Think again
@MollyMEP
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flouncyfanny · 09/09/2019 18:28

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placemats · 09/09/2019 18:28

How can Letwin be described as a 'rebel' when he tweets such fawning nonsense.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/09/2019 18:30

Caroline Lucas
@CarolineLucas
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Publication of these documents isn’t just technical matter - it has huge impacts for our constituents.

Last month
@DefraGovUK
refused my FOI request for info about risks of severe food shortages - I was told they had the info but revealing it is “against the public interest”

SistemaAddict · 09/09/2019 18:30

@flouncyfanny at this point NOTHING would surprise me in terms of conduct by parliament or the public. I'm too tired after major trauma with dd last night to stay up tonight and see what happens too. I'll no doubt wake in the night and check the news and thread then not get back to sleep until dawn 😩

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 18:30

Ned Donovan @Ned_Donovan
Theresa May’s resignation honours list is embargoed but let me tell you it has one of the most worthless collections of names (with one or two exceptions) elevated to the peerage since the Regency

Fabulous. Something to look forward to.

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Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 18:31

Letwin's trying to save the country from disaster, placemats.

flouncyfanny · 09/09/2019 18:33

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 18:34

David Allen Green @davidallengreen
In thirty years of being a constitutional geek never seen a Commons debate like this

Bloody raw constitutional issues exposed, being picked over

Total collapse of trust and conventions

I think we are now there: we are on the verge of a constitutional crisis

If humble address is passed, and the government does not comply, then there will be a tension

If that tension hardens into a contradiction, because has been no way to resolve situation, then you will have crisis

A serious unstable situation the outcome of which is unpredictable

No shit David.

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placemats · 09/09/2019 18:34

How Apileof?

If he is willing to back anything the PM brings to the table?

Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 18:34

Bercows hope all is ok? We're all trying to live normal lives with all its ups and downs and follow this Brexit shit. I worry so much for everyone.

Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 18:36

Any deal is better than no deal, place!

SistemaAddict · 09/09/2019 18:38

Thanks flouncyfanny Smile I have chronically congested sinuses and get daily headaches but think this one is worse due to the stress of last night. Time to get the small one in the bath after his first day at school. I'm looking forward to snuggle time tonight. Where did by baby go?! I've made soup. Soup will soothe the soul tomorrow.

Outsomnia · 09/09/2019 18:42

Am stealth lurking while supposedly doing some work.

Could someone tell me who this "Gorgeous George" is who may come back and bit the Tories in the bum, or words to that effect. I am sure when given the answer I will thump myself on the forehead.

On another note, Bercow's departure does not come as a surprise to me, it was hinted at for ages. Just hope the next incumbent is as good as he was, if not better.

BirdOffTheWire · 09/09/2019 18:43

I'm assuming George Osborne, Outsomnia, though I invariably imagine my nephew as GG!

MockersthefeMANist · 09/09/2019 18:46

Georgeous George, aka The Boy Gid, Osbo, Bob The Builder etc.

Former Chancellor turned master journalism without a day's training, along with his eight other jobs.

Any more clues needed?

Anyway, not what I came on for. What did I come on for?

.....Oh yes: Owen Patterson is as mad as a box of schizoid frogs on mescalin.

CrunchyCarrot · 09/09/2019 18:47

Bercows Flowers

Outsomnia · 09/09/2019 18:48

Ah thanks for the translation of GG into a person! Can get back to work now for a bit!

You lot are quicker than Wikipedia!

DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 18:48

Owen Patterson is as mad as a box of schizoid frogs on mescalin

Bit of an old skool drugof choice ?

MockersthefeMANist · 09/09/2019 18:51

Amphibians are creatures of habit.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 18:51

^uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-netherlands/dutch-might-prefer-no-deal-brexit-to-further-delay-minister-idUKKCN1VU0TL^
Dutch might prefer 'no-deal' Brexit to further delay - minister

^www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/boris-johnsons-recklessness-is-not-an-electoral-asset-h2prszp5m?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1568045893^
Boris Johnson’s recklessness is not an electoral asset

New polling shows that while many voters see the PM as powerful and charismatic they are unsure about his chaotic, unpredictable nature

Of course, Mr Johnson is still way ahead of Mr Corbyn in public opinion. According to new polling by the consultancy Britain Thinks, 30 per cent of voters believe he would make the best prime minister, compared with 14 per cent who favour Mr Corbyn, but 34 per cent said they did not know who they would prefer. Mr Johnson’s popularity is falling and the Britain Thinks research points to underlying vulnerabilities.

Focus groups see him as powerful and charismatic but also unpredictable and chaotic. When swing voters in Reading were asked to say what animal the prime minister reminded them of, one woman chose “a bull in a china shop — careering around smashing things”. Most members of the focus groups assumed he had a master plan that would soon come to fruition. One man in Walsall said he was like the conductor of an orchestra who “looks like [he’s] flailing around but there’s actually a lot more going on under the surface”. He hoped the music would be beautiful in the end but if the discordant cacophony continues he could easily turn on Mr Johnson.

“People are drawn to somebody who is passionate but they have doubts about him,” says Deborah Mattinson, the Britain Thinks founder. The character problem is in her view compounded by the fact that the Tories’ electoral strategy depends on winning Brexit-supporting seats in Labour’s northern and Midlands heartlands, where it “is anathema for many people to vote Tory”, she says. “There’s nothing in Boris Johnson that will persuade them that the Tory party has changed.”

The Liberal Democrats have started referring to a “Boris Brexit” because they know the prime minister is a hate figure for many Remainers. The animosity he inspires could be a critical factor in an election dominated by tactical voting and differential turnout. Tory strategists are convinced their leader is their greatest asset but he may become their biggest liability.

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flouncyfanny · 09/09/2019 18:56

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IDontBelieveYou · 09/09/2019 18:59

Anyone else noticed Betty Boothroyd trending on Twitter? Lots of Leavers want her back as speaker. 😄

Horehound · 09/09/2019 19:00

I got a round robin from Ian blackford which states
"Tonight's vote, however, is seeking to force opposition parties to vote for a general election on Boris' terms.

This is a trap – which we will not fall for.

We want an election – but on the right terms. The SNP cannot support the vote tonight, which would give the Prime Minister the power to call the election when he wants – running the risk of dragging Scotland off the cliff edge with a no deal Brexit. He simply cannot be trusted.

An election is coming, and now is the time for the SNP to mobilise and get out campaigning.

The fight to stop Brexit, Boris, and the Tories, must be taken to every door in Scotland."

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