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Westminstenders: The Rule of Law

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 14:16

We enter week 2 of what might be considered 'the end game'.

The Conservative Party has made it clear that liberals are not welcome in their ranks. It has become the Brexit Party.

Farage is talking of a pact, though Javid has said no. What would Javid know though, he's only in the Cabinet.

Amber Rudd has resigned. She will run as an independent in an unnamed constituency at the next election. The assumption must therefore be she has been talking to a few people this week about this, though whether that means she is a 'One Nation Tory' independent candidate or simply an independent isn't clear.

Some think that her departure will deal Johnson yet another blow at the polls. Others think as the cabinet members with the worst satisfaction rating amongst tory party members this will be viewed positively by leavers and give Johnson a bounce in the polls.

It been reported that Cummings has overruled Johnson on at least key decisions this week which raises the question of who is in charge and running the show.

Cummings has promised to make us all melt in the coming weeks as he takes a sledge hammer to constitutional convention. He's advised no 10 staff to be 'cool like Fonzies'. A reference to pulp fiction and to happy days. As some have commented if you think about Cummings as some one who has watched too much Tarantino it does make him make a lot more sense.

There are suggestions that Johnson will break the rule of law in refusing to ask for an extension and the No10 have a trick up their sleeve over loopholes. The most obvious thing here being to offer the EU a deal they can't possibly refuse agree too to smear them and to then make it impossible for the EU to agree to an extension which noises out of France seem to suggest anyway.

Tomorrow is going to be interesting...

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DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 17:08

DGRossetti I’ve heard that too - might suggest that the EU won’t deny an extension on 31/10?

[re: EU would never force UK into no-deal]

With the caveat it could be the usual TwitterBollocks, if true, it's an interesting idea. It would mean that the UK would lose the excuse that "the EU forced us into no deal" which Johnson & chums were so keen to hide behind. However it would simultaneously allow the UK to keep trying to play the "we'll crash out" card whenever things are going badly.

It would be fascinating to know how the vast funds that have been pumped into Brexit were secured. Primarily what timescale people were promised it would be sorted by. Given that one of the perennial problems in the UK has been an incredible short termism* when it comes to investment, I would be surprised if 3 years isn't well past what was promised. Although UK short termism is balanced by a reliance on the sunk costs fallacy.

*I've worked in companies where week end was a worry, let alone month or quarter ....

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 17:08

Paul Waugh @paulwaugh
Bercow approves emergency SO24 debate by Grieve.

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AutumnCrow · 09/09/2019 17:10

Bercow allowing the Yellowhammer debate

KennDodd · 09/09/2019 17:11

What's SO24?

DadDadDad · 09/09/2019 17:11

If a hard right government have a majority, then can whip for someone of their choice who might not be non-partisan and may just do the governments bidding.

With the caveat, Red, that any candidate must get three nominations from outside their own party. (Let's hope three BXP MPs aren't returned Shock ).

DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 17:12

George doesn’t sound too impressed with Boris

I really wouldn't be surprised to see him back in politics at some point. Never underestimate the burning resentment people like him can harbour for being condescended to by an elite. Camerons done for. Boris star may be waning (faster than anticipated). Theresa has gone. But Gorgeous George remains intact and on the sidelines.

And he writes (or is happy to put his name to) a nice succinct piece refreshingly free of hyperbole.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 17:13

Five candidates so far.
Harriet Hardman (lab)
Chris Bryant (lab)
Lindsey Hoyle (lab)
Edward Leigh (con)
Eleanor Laing (con)

Paul Waugh @paulwaugh
Lords website updated to confirm Lord Wellington has indeed resigned the Tory whip in the Lords.
t.co/MMvjzIn0d6

He's apparently seniorly aristocratic and seriously Tory. No longer.

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Grinchly · 09/09/2019 17:15

Ffs ! Bridgen on PM. Snide bastard.
This is the person who thought all English people were eligible for an Irish passport.
I use it in my media training as an example of a car crash experience

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 17:16

With the caveat, Red, that any candidate must get three nominations from outside their own party

What happens if no candidate has a majority and these necessary nominations?

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 17:17

Labour Whips @labourwhips
Rough timings ⏲️

Debate now to force publication of yellowhammer & prorogation advice. Vote at/by 7.15pm

7.30pm: Corbyn S024 on Govt complying with the law. Vote?

9pm - NI Motion up to 90 Mins followed by R&R Bill

After 10PM - Early GE (90 mins) vote After 1130

Prorogation

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Grinchly · 09/09/2019 17:18

I should be clear- use Bridgen's radio interview as an example...

placemats · 09/09/2019 17:18

My MP doesn't 'do' social media.

Shocking disgrace. No accountability and a fawning member of the ERG.

Harman for Speaker and no election before the 31st October.

Let the sweat begin.

prettybird · 09/09/2019 17:18

Smugg said what he said about Dr Nichol because in his arrogant view, he was protected by parliamentary privilege Hmm.

However I wonder if the reason that he reluctantly apologised after the Chief Medical Officer for England officially complained was not just because of her complaint but also because (from my reading of parliament guidelines on privilege), privilege does not apply when when there is malice involved Shock

And as far as Smugg was concerned, there was definitely malice involved as there was absolutely no need to dig a deeper hole to illustrate his hatred of the pesky expert Dr Nichol. Angry

placemats · 09/09/2019 17:19

I still can't understand why an election is preferable to another referendum, given that this election is solely based on Brexit.

Alsohuman · 09/09/2019 17:19

No 10’s getting more embattled by the minute.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/no-10-must-pay-sajid-javids-fired-aide-tens-of-thousands-in-compensation-a4232216.html

MockersthefeMANist · 09/09/2019 17:19

And so it has come to this: We are having a debate in parliament on whether or not the govt. should obey the law.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 17:20

Any hard right candidate would need 1 Tory, 1 Brexit, 1 DUP and then just one other.

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BirdOffTheWire · 09/09/2019 17:22

I thought Harriet Harman might have had more in her, on the Labour front benches, but perhaps she would be a good Speaker? Bercow really "took back" sovereignty for Parliament - much to the dismay of the right-wing!

Grinchly · 09/09/2019 17:22

Not the dust spaffer, please doG

DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 17:25

privilege does not apply when when there is malice involve

Ultimately, privilege has always been decided on by parliament. (From my legal textbooks, I believe the practicalities are that courts refuse to interfere with the regulation of parliament). As such it's theoretically possible parliament could vote to remove privilege from a member, if it came to a vote ?

I know (Private Eyes passim) that the High Court has expressed displeasure on more than one occasion that MPs have used privilege to circumvent superinjunctions. And whilst some may have cheered when MPs did so, it does make any subsequent disregard for the law harder to complain about.

DadDadDad · 09/09/2019 17:26

If the hard right candidate comes from the Tories, then they need three nominations from non-Tory parties. Assuming the BXP don't get any MPs, do you think the DUP would support such a candidate? (What would the PM bribe them with this time?)

DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 17:28

I still can't understand why an election is preferable to another referendum, given that this election is solely based on Brexit.

Is it ?

The same way a lot of people voted Brexit for the NHS in the referendum ?

I really detest Tony Blair, more than the margin of this screen will allow me to type. But one thing he seemed right on is that an election, rather than a referendum will be fought on confusing mixed lines. Peoples vote will not just be based on Brexit, but their local hospital, policing, etc etc.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 17:29

Jim Pickard@pickardje
🔥🔥🔥

Dominic Grieve suggests that Boris Johnson wrote the memo calling Cameron a “girly swot” because it was “supposed to be a contrast with his manly idleness.”

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DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 17:31

I'm guessing Corbyn is hoping that an election will involve more than Brexit. Meanwhile for BXP/Tories it all has to be about Brexit.

The problem for Corbyn will be MSM will just want to know Labours Brexit policy and any other policies will be ignored.

Belindabelle · 09/09/2019 17:32

Ben Bradshaw asking Dominic Grieve if Johnson lied to the Queen regarding prorogation.