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Westminstenders: The Rule of Law

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 14:16

We enter week 2 of what might be considered 'the end game'.

The Conservative Party has made it clear that liberals are not welcome in their ranks. It has become the Brexit Party.

Farage is talking of a pact, though Javid has said no. What would Javid know though, he's only in the Cabinet.

Amber Rudd has resigned. She will run as an independent in an unnamed constituency at the next election. The assumption must therefore be she has been talking to a few people this week about this, though whether that means she is a 'One Nation Tory' independent candidate or simply an independent isn't clear.

Some think that her departure will deal Johnson yet another blow at the polls. Others think as the cabinet members with the worst satisfaction rating amongst tory party members this will be viewed positively by leavers and give Johnson a bounce in the polls.

It been reported that Cummings has overruled Johnson on at least key decisions this week which raises the question of who is in charge and running the show.

Cummings has promised to make us all melt in the coming weeks as he takes a sledge hammer to constitutional convention. He's advised no 10 staff to be 'cool like Fonzies'. A reference to pulp fiction and to happy days. As some have commented if you think about Cummings as some one who has watched too much Tarantino it does make him make a lot more sense.

There are suggestions that Johnson will break the rule of law in refusing to ask for an extension and the No10 have a trick up their sleeve over loopholes. The most obvious thing here being to offer the EU a deal they can't possibly refuse agree too to smear them and to then make it impossible for the EU to agree to an extension which noises out of France seem to suggest anyway.

Tomorrow is going to be interesting...

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ARoomWithoutADoor · 09/09/2019 11:18

Basil
I think BoJo would rather be martyred on the cross of Brexit than be seen to fail. That way, he can come back later, (in his mind, anyway)

Basilpots · 09/09/2019 11:18

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/ex-tory-rebels-plot-to-reintroduce-theresa-mays-brexit-deal/

People we should all be political strategists.

What were we saying about WA coming back like a bloomin’ boomerang.

Trap door or escape hatch ?

Basilpots · 09/09/2019 11:20

@ARoomWithoutADoor

Point is BJ can spin it either way.

His media chums will be compicit.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 11:21

Dying for your beliefs is heroic

Saying you have no confidence in yourself is not

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 11:22

The latter image will be much harder to sell than the former

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 11:27

^So many of BJ's remarks coming back to haunt him .... but his supporters don't care
^
https://news.sky.com/story/explained-whats-happening-in-this-crucial-brexit-week-118049844^

the emergency move of trying to use an archaic mechanism
to impeach Mr Johnson is being raised by Plaid Cymru's Westminster leader, Liz Saville Roberts.

It has not been used since the 1800s, and would see MPs vote on a motion which if passed could lead to prosecution and trial within the Houses of Parliament.

Plaid Cymru says Mr Johnson wrote in support of their then MP Adam Price using the impeachment system to hold then-prime minister Tony Blair to account in 2004.

In a Daily Telegraph article, they quote Mr Johnson as saying:

"He [Tony Blair] treated parliament and the public with contempt, and that is why he deserves to be impeached: that is, to be formally held to account, in the way that Adam Price suggests."^

Myriade · 09/09/2019 11:29

What the meddling outsiders are doing is trying to control the narrative.
They are also providing money and advisors. Thats more than just controlling the narrative.
And they have and are doing that all over Europe (eg The Front National in France who has russian advisors as well as russian supporters)

Basilpots · 09/09/2019 11:35

@Myriade

Bloody terrifying.

Basilpots · 09/09/2019 11:39

Amazing what you will over look if it gets you what you want.

Goes back to that poll with Tory members. Happy to damage their party, the economy etc. Only thing to put them off Brexit was a Corbyn Government.

Camomila · 09/09/2019 11:53

They are suspending parliament at COB today until 14th October (so says my news app on my phone)

DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 11:56

They are suspending parliament at COB today until 14th October

That being the case, what of any import can happen in between ? Presumably just ministerial orders ? And a 5 week media storm to bore the electorate into submission ?

Basilpots · 09/09/2019 11:59

Scrutiny that’s what won’t be happening.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/09/2019 11:59

So what happens to those who can't pay ?

As Hazard said BCF we suffer or die, my meds are on that list and being the 'scrounger' that I am I wont be able to buy them, so not only will I have to deal with Brexit but a shit ton of psychotic breaks, Bear want to come and ask me some more about the Tory chip on my shoulder? Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 12:01

"what of any import can happen in between "

What can the PM and other ministers do to us without Parliamentary approval ?

Also, will the civil disorder ramp up to give an excuse for the CCA ?

I wonder if BJ / Cum would try claiming that the emergency is worsened by Parliament blocking that magical deal - an that disloyal MPs need to have priviliges removed ? Hmm

JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/09/2019 12:02

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 31% (-4)
LAB: 28% (+4)
LDEM: 17% (-1)
BREX: 13% (-1)

via @DeltapollUK, 05 - 07 Sep

Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 12:03

JustAnotherPoster00 and Hazard, I am so so sorry.

Basilpots · 09/09/2019 12:03

Just I don’t know what to say.

Flowers to you and everyone else who I worrying about meds.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 12:04

poster, hazard 💐

Any MPs standing on their high horse and demanding "my way or the highway / No Deal",
or claiming it'll happen anyway in a few years:

these pp are typical of those who would suffer
The sharp-elbowed better off won't - do you only care about them ?

ContinuityError · 09/09/2019 12:07

They are suspending parliament at COB today until 14th October

Assuming that Boris’s call for a GE is rejected tonight, that makes Nov 21st as earliest Thursday date for a GE (according to @lewis_goodall)

Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 12:09

Are there any politicians that campaigned for Leave that were strongly pro the WA?

Alsohuman · 09/09/2019 12:09

That’s absolutely fucking awful @JustAnotherPoster00 and @Hazardtired. And we have the temerity to maintain we’re a civilised country.

Hoooo · 09/09/2019 12:10

room sos

Yes. Lovely. Stiff upper lip and all that.

Except some of us, and some of our family members need certain meds to...you know...stay alive.

So it's quite worrying when we are told "sorry, no meds for you".

No amount of positive thinking will help prevent diabetic ketosis, or cardiomyopathy, or asthma attacks.

And it's fucking outrageous that you think it's ok to spout such shit when posters on this thread are simply trying to keep loved ones alive any way they can.

Ffs.

colouringinpro · 09/09/2019 12:12

Fuck.

Bipolar meds needed to keep dcs dad alive really.

Basilpots · 09/09/2019 12:13

Anyone got a list of MPs who didn’t vote for the WA at the last time of asking, when it only failed to pass by 00’s rather than 000’s ?

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 12:13

Lewis Goodall@lewis_goodall
Break: Parliament is to be prorogued tonight. No Parliament, select committees or scrutiny of the executive until October 14th. Perfectly legal but the longest prorogation in modern history, in the middle of the biggest political crisis since the war.

Also the government line that parliament was only losing five days is now untrue. Given parliament is being prorogued today, not at the end of the week, it is losing nine (and in reality prob more because Commons might well have voted to sit for a few days over conf season).

As a result the PM will miss only his second PMQs since taking office and his scheduled appearance before the liaison committee (the supposed twice yearly grilling before the heads of select committees, usually a tough day for any prime minister)

Also worth noting, assuming early election vote goes as expected this evening, parliament being prorogued tonight means there cannot be an October election and earliest (Thursday) date it could be is November 21st.

Suspect November 28th more likely, or sometime in that week, at least.

Also remember that after prorogation the first business of the House is to pass the Queens Speech.

If the Queen Speech vote fails we are into VoNC area in Johnson because I believe the vote must pass before Parliament does anything else. (need to double check this but I think that's the case)

Johnson does not have the numbers to pass a Queens Speech if the ex Tories don't support him.

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