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Westminstenders: The Rule of Law

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 14:16

We enter week 2 of what might be considered 'the end game'.

The Conservative Party has made it clear that liberals are not welcome in their ranks. It has become the Brexit Party.

Farage is talking of a pact, though Javid has said no. What would Javid know though, he's only in the Cabinet.

Amber Rudd has resigned. She will run as an independent in an unnamed constituency at the next election. The assumption must therefore be she has been talking to a few people this week about this, though whether that means she is a 'One Nation Tory' independent candidate or simply an independent isn't clear.

Some think that her departure will deal Johnson yet another blow at the polls. Others think as the cabinet members with the worst satisfaction rating amongst tory party members this will be viewed positively by leavers and give Johnson a bounce in the polls.

It been reported that Cummings has overruled Johnson on at least key decisions this week which raises the question of who is in charge and running the show.

Cummings has promised to make us all melt in the coming weeks as he takes a sledge hammer to constitutional convention. He's advised no 10 staff to be 'cool like Fonzies'. A reference to pulp fiction and to happy days. As some have commented if you think about Cummings as some one who has watched too much Tarantino it does make him make a lot more sense.

There are suggestions that Johnson will break the rule of law in refusing to ask for an extension and the No10 have a trick up their sleeve over loopholes. The most obvious thing here being to offer the EU a deal they can't possibly refuse agree too to smear them and to then make it impossible for the EU to agree to an extension which noises out of France seem to suggest anyway.

Tomorrow is going to be interesting...

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Peregrina · 09/09/2019 08:36

I don't read the Daily Lie(Heil) on principle - could you give us a few extracts of the key statements, if possible?

I wonder if Carrie will jump ship?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 09/09/2019 08:39

I think we are seeing the effect of the Westminster bubble. BJ, JRM etc have been playing politics and not doing much else since university. It’s a glorified Student Union full of posturing and focussed on beating the other side and impressing your mates.

Only it isn’t.

It’s people’s prosperity; it’s the rule of law; it’s democracy and the constitution; it’s international relations.

I was hoping for statesmanship; now I am just praying for hints of maturity and common sense.

TatianaLarina · 09/09/2019 08:44

Amelia Gentleman is said to have told her husband: 'It's me or Boris', before he stepped down last week over an 'unresolvable tension' between family loyalty and the national interest...

Another source told the paper: 'The Johnsons have always been a politically diverse clan, but Amelia decided she'd had enough.

'Seeing Boris presiding over an increasingly fractured government, threatening to break the law and promising to drag the country out of the EU or die in a ditch - it all just got too much

TatianaLarina · 09/09/2019 08:44

For Peregrina.

TatianaLarina · 09/09/2019 08:48

I was hoping for statesmanship; now I am just praying for hints of maturity and common sense.

I don’t think there’s any sign of that.

I’m hoping they go down in a hail of bullshit.

whymewhynow · 09/09/2019 08:48

Peregrina - the article seems to be a padding out of the Times column by Janice Turner on Saturday. In essence, when Jo cited family loyalty as a reason to resign, everyone assumed he meant loyalty towards his brother but JT suggests it was to his wife, Amelia Gentleman, the Guardian journalist who exposed the Windrush scandal, who is passionately opposed to Brexit.

Peregrina · 09/09/2019 08:49

Thanks Tatiana.

TatianaLarina · 09/09/2019 08:50

the Times column by Janice Turner

Didn’t see that - much better source.

TatianaLarina · 09/09/2019 08:53

I’m not convinced that ‘family loyalty’ didn’t refer to Boris - there could be a conflict between sibling loyalty and duty to Remain and the country - which would be the side his wife was on.

whymewhynow · 09/09/2019 08:57

I agree that the way it was framed - Jo was torn between national interest and family loyalty - makes it sound more likely that he was referring to his brother than his wife, but it gave a neat platform for JT to write up her observations Smile.

TatianaLarina · 09/09/2019 08:59

I agree, and it’s an interesting piece.

I’ve always wondered how Amelia coped with being married to a Tory MP and having to deal with Boris.

I certainly couldn’t.

NotaRealLawyer · 09/09/2019 09:00

borntobequiet
Hurray for the Daily Mash. I've 30 nectar points, don't tell anyone.
This also caught my eye.
www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/your-guide-to-living-in-fascist-britain-20190829188622

MockersthefeMANist · 09/09/2019 09:00

Interesting times.

Seems like only yesterday when John McDonnell was urging people to take to the streets to oppose the govt. and Tories were solemnly condemning him for advocating law-breaking.

And not long since Ed Miliband told his partner she had better marry him sharpish or the Tory press would have his guts for garters for proposing to live in sin in No.10.

It's one rule for them, another for the rest of us, same as ever.

Alsohuman · 09/09/2019 09:02

There’s a lot more to worry about than the Johnsons’ domestic arrangements. I really couldn’t care less.

TatianaLarina · 09/09/2019 09:04

Well I’m interested, slash nosy.

It’s kind of emblematic of splits occurring in families across the country.

Hazardtired · 09/09/2019 09:07

It poses an interesting scenario. If Johnson was your brother what would you do, if anything, to stop him?

Similar if Cummings was your family what would you do?

The former i'd intervene, the latter I think I would be happy he's keeping himself busy and away from me.

wheresmymojo · 09/09/2019 09:07

As always I'm catching up with the thread.

Popped on to say David Allen Green has torn apart both the idea of using the CCA to get around the Benn legislation and also the 'cunning master plan' of sending a second letter appended to the first.

I've managed to find a list of medications that might be impacted by no deal (not from the Govt but closest I have seen to a source working out which are most likely to be scarce).

My bipolar meds are on their unfortunately Sad Will post a link in a second.

Also - flying from East Midlands this morning. I was quite surprised that the airport has dual languages (English & Polish).

It was a useful reminder to me of the impact immigration has had on some Leave areas. I realise many places around the world have dual language signs for English speakers but I can also see why someone who is more afraid of change would find it discomforting.

Having chatted to a lot of Leavers I do think it's important to consider that not all people pro-controls on immigration are racist. It's more that they are traditionalist and much less comfortable with change.

QuentinWinters · 09/09/2019 09:08

Oh my God the comments on the DM article. Smh. Misogyny abounds, yuck

Bodoni · 09/09/2019 09:08

Speaking of spouses, I was interested to see Cummings’ wife Mary Wakefield who works for the Spectator posting these figures - twitter.com/marywakefield?lang=en -

Hospital beds per 100,000 people:
Germany: 823
Poland: 663
France: 621
Greece: 424
Portugal: 332
Italy: 331
Spain: 297
UK: 273

I must admit, I hadn't realised it was so bad

DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 09:08

I don't think the courts would view anything deriving from releasing Operation Yellowhammer details and causing "panic" as justification for the CCA - it's a little to close to manufacturing the crisis you then seek to build on.

That's if the courts are allowed anywhere near any decision. Like the police they've spent the past umpteen years silently up the backside of the government and the adage about familiarity breeds contempt was never more true.

DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 09:10

Cummings’ wife Mary Wakefield

Interesting name Hmm

DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 09:12

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BackInTime · 09/09/2019 09:12

Maybe the point is to grind the country down so we are all just grateful for whatever we get at the end of it (when no deal is avoided by the skin of our teeth).

Sadly this is true people are so ground down and fed up of it all that they have tuned out and will accept anything to make it stop. I am hearing more and more friends and colleagues say that they just want it over and are willing to accept no deal when they previously wouldn't have.

I suspect that this is part of Cummings GE strategy - Boris can get Brexit done by the 31st of Oct versus continued Brexit delays with Corbyn.

prettybird · 09/09/2019 09:17

Benn being wonderfully clear and measured on "All Out Politics" pointing out that No Deal Brexit is not "just the end of it" - that it would still be "just the beginning".

It's a message that needs to be pushed at every opportunity.

prettybird · 09/09/2019 09:23

Ds' birthday cake (Mary Berry's Victorian Christmas Cake). Note the plum gin maturing in its Kilner jar Wink I'm prepared Grin

Westminstenders: The Rule of Law