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Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.

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RedToothBrush · 06/09/2019 00:48

All day I've seen nothing but comments and tweets about he Johnson is in trouble and he's losing it.

They are wrong. He's far from done.

Take a step through the Looking Glass and the world looks different.

Those tweeting and reporting all care about events and are following closely. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole who don't give two shiny shits.

And so we have the Trump dynamic.

The Liberal elite of broadcasters and journalists who are only seeing through the lens of their own judgement, not from the repackaged marketing.

Instead they are unwittingly publishing the images and slogans in the format Johnson wants and enter the minds of the public as planned.

The media are out of step with perceptions. And that's worrying. They don't see what's coming.

Johnson will have an election at some point. With the Tory party cleansed of moderates it is the Brexit Party one way or another, whether it be by takeover or coalition. And its riding high in the polling.

Even though even his brother has abandoned him, the future looks positive for Johnson as his opponents have a complete lack of self awareness and no understanding of the opposition they are taking on; they are campaigning in a way that plays into the hands of Johnson.

Despite his lack of majority and apparently absence of plan or speech notes, the biggest mistake you can make now is to write off Johnson.

You do so at your own peril.

Pay close attention to how authoritarians work and what's already happened in the US. We are on course to repeat it.

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TheElementsSong · 06/09/2019 09:00

Phew, these threads are moving fast!

With regard to people on here supporting the WA (although I'm coming to it a bit late) - for me it's more that No Deal Crash Out would be the worst case thing, and therefore I would prefer the WA compared to that. Doesn't mean I support it, as such - just that if we got to the point where it was definitely only Crash Out or WA as the last two options standing, I'd pick the WA. It's in no way a positive choice for me.

Greenpeacefriendforlife · 06/09/2019 09:01

Jo should have quietly stepped away with dignity when his brother was appointed no by accepting the position as junior minister and then choosing the moment of maximum pressure to resign, was very cruel. Absolutely no need for it.
I would never forgive my family.

Boris will have gained much more support after this.

Belindabelle · 06/09/2019 09:01

They are staying one night at Balmoral instead of the usual 3. Dinner on Fri evening then early flight back to London on Sat morning.

RuffleCrow · 06/09/2019 09:03

I think you're confusing British and American populism. There were plenty of people who thought Thatcher was invincible (both those who loved her and hated her). I'm old enough to remember her tearful exit from number 10 and my children are old enough to witness Boris' calculated and probably emotionless one. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest a majority of British voters will support a party pushing for a no-deal Brexit. That is not in any way what most Brexiteers even voted for. Stop doom-mongering OP.

prettybird · 06/09/2019 09:04

Will Carrie's room be at the other side of Balmoral Wink

DGRossetti · 06/09/2019 09:04

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NoWordForFluffy · 06/09/2019 09:06

We don't know what bullshit Jo was served up by Boris when he accepted the job. Maybe Boris 'cruelly' lied to him too.

None of us knows what goes on behind closed doors, but it's NOT cruel to stand up for your principles. Honestly, this type of emotive thinking in politics should be avoided.

flouncyfanny · 06/09/2019 09:06

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/09/2019 09:06

The Telegraph
@Telegraph
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Labour has often deliberately misunderstood Boris Johnsons's article on the use of burkas – it wasn't racist, it was a nuanced defence of liberalism

I fucking despair

prettybird · 06/09/2019 09:07

BJ-Cummings has "given his word" to Scottish fisherman that there will be no delays to their fish being transported to the continent via Dover on 1 November Hmm

Just proves that his word cannot be trusted Confused

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/09/2019 09:07

Greenpeace

Reread your last sentence. There is a cynical thought niggling at the back of my mind. What happened was a win-win for the Johnson brothers. JJ looks like a moderate and BJ gets to say I will sacrifice everything to get Brexit through.

Basilpots · 06/09/2019 09:07

@LizzieSiddal Theresa Mays former press secretary was interviewed he said there was a huge problem they detected during focus groups with people switching over or skipping the news whenever they saw her or a member of the Government for fear they may start talking about Brexit. They had a specific message they needed to get across to working women with children (non Brexit related) and it was proving almost impossible because of this.

Butterymuffin · 06/09/2019 09:07

think the position is highly uncertain for all camps but I do not share the doom and gloom on here

I agree. Everyone thinks they see what's 'really' going on (a la Cummings the evil mastermind) but the only thing definitively shown by the last 3+ years is that this is uncharted territory and no one can be sure what's to come.

I also think a lot of the commentary on Johnson yesterday was in the vein of 'who knew he'd flounder like this so quickly?' rather than seriously thinking it's all up with him. Neither should his mistakes always be interpreted as 'ah, it's all part of a deliberate grand plan', which is the same error but in the opposite direction. There was a good piece a while back about how thanks to Lynton Crosby, we all now see carefully planned 'dead cats' everywhere. Sometimes people fuck up.

Finally, I also would rather lay off the sexualised nicknames. It strikes me as something Johnson and his ilk would themselves be amused by and I don't want to lower myself to his level.

IDontBelieveYou · 06/09/2019 09:08

PMK. I’m seeing a lot more posts on social media by friends who weren’t typically interested in politics. Boris not doing well among them, nor among Leavers who have money and favour a low tax low regulation society.

QuentinWinters · 06/09/2019 09:08

I don't agree green. They seem like a close family so I see it as how far Jo must have been pushed to resign as he did, which makes me think Boris is even more scary behind closed doors.
I hope it has made voters think more about who BJ is....

IDontBelieveYou · 06/09/2019 09:08

that this is uncharted territory and no one can be sure what's to come.

Yes I agree with this entirely. It gives us comfort to try and guess but I think we’re just in a sort of chaos freefall.

prettybird · 06/09/2019 09:09

Sudden jump in visitors. Wonder why? Wink

RuffleCrow · 06/09/2019 09:13

I agree Quentin. If his own family are publicly saying "enough with this shit" he hasn't got long left. No sympathy from me.

prettybird · 06/09/2019 09:14

There's an actual example from TheABC at the end of the old thread (which I've only just read) of those that think that "No Deal = Remain" Shock

I spoke to a friend the other day who though no -deal just meant Remaining!

We need to recognise that many people are just not at all politically engaged - let along to the extent that we are.

yolofish · 06/09/2019 09:14

I'm with elements, I cannot actively support WA but if push comes to shove and its that or No Deal, then I suppose I'd prefer WA. Kind of like preferring chlamydia to syphilis.

HesterThrale · 06/09/2019 09:18

Yes Cummings reputedly has a contract till 31/10, but if his ideas are gaining traction at that point, I’d be surprised not to see him come back at some point.

cherin · 06/09/2019 09:22

I don’t know Anyone in RL who buys papers, or even takes up the evening standard or metro in the tube. Zero. I’m sitting in a carriage now on the tube, and there’s ONE person with Metro, a couple of books*, the rest (45 people? Quiet time in a quiet day) are all on their phone. Where news come filtered by your AppleNews or whatever setting your phone thinks appropriate to your taste. Enormous echo chamber. Whichever chamber you’re in, you’re likely to stay....

  • guy in front of me is reading the Life in the U.K.

I’ve offered my tenants to sell them the flat, but the bank is not happy to give them a mortgage. Properties in London are losing value (mine is valued at least 50k less than last year), we thought to sell before the referendum but were optimistic, never saw the result coming. Since then, nothing sells. It used to be a bidding war to find a flat here, now they stay on sale for 6-8m and drop prices like decideous plants drop their leaves...

Basilpots · 06/09/2019 09:26

It's time for a new MP for Wavertree and this time we need a socialist.

Well that’s not going to help Labour attract any of the moderate centreish voters needed if they want to form a Government.

Songsofexperience · 06/09/2019 09:28

Unfortunately don't have time to rtft this morning but on the subject of Labour (higher taxes, inheritance, land tax etc) v Tories (tax breaks) I just want to say that whilst I'm the natural target for the Tories, I value other things more (see leavers, it's not all about the money for remainers either!). I'd lose out personally under a Corbyn government BUT to me it boils down to this:
I'd rather be poorer in a prosperous fairer country than marginally better off in a hell hole.