Dear Brussels...

[Miljah]

Of course I know the EU's equivalent of Whitehall scrutinise what we say and do- possibly even MN!

But if you had their ear, what would you say?

I do understand that there is no complete, overriding consensus within the EU 'Parliament'!

But imagine you are addressing the EU MEPs.

What would you like to feel they should know?

Dear Brussels, Please put us out of our misery, don't agree to an extension. Thanking you in advance.

If a EU drone dropped a bomb on parliament I think the country would rejoice

If a EU drone dropped a bomb on parliament I think the country would rejoice

Dear Greatnorthwoods,

EU must respect the right of any member to leave the Union in accordance with Article 50 which was developed over a period of many years from 2000 to 2009. Rational was that unilateral withdrawal by any member had to be allowed so they could preserve their national sovereignty.

Your suggestion that EU should drop a bomb on parliament is not very helpful. USA would be happy if war broke out in Europe. Trump does not like the EU as demonstrated by his support that UK leave the EU without a deal. Also USA has a trade deficit with EU

Then there is the question of Russia, but that is too long a discussion to be included here.

Yours fearfully

EU defense department

I love this new tack "The British Irish Council is at fault ". 😂. However, I don't love the bomb Parliament stuff. That's not fucking funny and I will be reporting that stupid comment too.

@bellinisurge - I love this new tack "The British Irish Council is at fault

That's not a new tack at all. It's just moved thread. (S)he doesn't seem to grasp the fact the UK had repeatedly claimed the GFA was a priority and they would protect the frictionless border, resulting in the Irish, erroneously as it turns out, believing the UK would have sufficient integrity to uphold their part of the GFA. After all, Ireland didn't sign up to Schengen, despite wanting to, as without the UK joining too, it would have threatened the GFA.

@MysteryTripAgain - There is no disinformation

Oh, but there is. The British government were very clear about how they intended to honour the GFA and that it was a priority for them to ensure it was upheld. Therefore, unless the BIC accused then of acting in bad faith, it would have been assumed they would brexit in a manner that would not threaten the GFA, particularly as prior to the referendum, mentions of brexit assumed remaining in the SM was a given. There are many options that would allow the UK to brexit in a compliant manner.

It’s literally a case or finding anyone to blame except the poor put-upon underdog leave campaign, isn’t it. Absolutely unable to accept that those who voted leave were promised something impossible to deliver, and determined to blame remain voters, remain MPs, the EU, anyone but the rich and powerful men who are lining their pockets during the chaos they planned

However, I don't love the bomb Parliament stuff

Me neither

After all, Ireland didn't sign up to Schengen, despite wanting to, as without the UK joining too, it would have threatened the GFA

UK mainland has a sea border as opposed to land border. Therefore Schengen not so useful as in EU where there are many land borders.

Given that you don't know the difference between in Parliament and in government, not sure you are the GoTo person on the workings of Schengen.

@MysteryTripAgain - UK mainland has a sea border as opposed to land border. Therefore Schengen not so useful as in EU where there are many land borders.

That is completely irrelevant to the point I made. Let me spell it out for you: Ireland chose not to participate in Schengen, despite wanting to, as the UK, as it their right, decided not to participate. Ireland, showing integrity wrt the GFA, did not want to take an action that might threaten the GFA.

@bellinisurge

Parliament is the MPs representing constituents who elected them

Government is the party with the most seats and they choose the cabinet ministers.

Like many remain supporters, scraping the barrel with;

"Hey look, a leave supporter has made; a spelling mistake, a typo, incorrect quote, etc., surely that proves Brexit must be cancelled"

Do yourself some favours such as;

Accept that leave vote won.

Accept that, as negotiations have so far failed, no deal is the most likely outcome.

No deal makes the GFA void as per the Vienna Convention.

EU law will require Ireland to install a border as NI will no longer be an EU member.

The UK must have control of its economic area under WTO rules. And so it must have a hard border with NI if it destroys GFA.
And destroying GFA brings violence and murder back on the streets of NI AND the Mainland. Price worth paying?

What part of, " I want an Orderly Brexit " means I don't accept the referendum result.

as the UK, as it their right, decided not to participate

And why was that? Answer because UK has coastlines of about 20,000 miles compared to the land border in NI of 310 miles.

So made sense to use frontier control at seaports and airports as 98.5% of UK boundary is coastal. Not practical to have Schengen for NI and frontier control on the mainland.

Remember DUP don't like NI being different to other parts of the UK

No deal makes the GFA void as per the Vienna Convention.

No it doesn't. A wilful act that breaks an international peace treaty is very different to circumstances that make it impossible to comply.

@MysteryTripAgain - And why was that? Answer because UK has coastlines of about 20,000 miles compared to the land border in NI of 310 miles.

Again, utterly irrelevant to my point that Ireland exhibited integrity wrt Schengen. I am not disputing the UK's position on Schengen.

Remember DUP don't like NI being different to other parts of the UK

Except when it suits them. Remember DUP is opposed to the GFA and will quite happily see the NI economy thrashed to achieve their aims.

They love having different laws on abortion

And equal marriage.

Sweet Jesus mystery are you deliberately been obtuse?. The point been made by whyamidoingthis is that the UK chose to stay out of schengen zone, Ireland wanted to join but because that would have caused a hard border in NI they abstained. It's not rocket science, Ireland put their responsibility to the GFA agreement first.

I think "being deliberately obtuse " is that poster's MO.
As is accusing people of supporting terrorism and confusing Parliament and government. Despite being told several times . Then pretending it was either a joke or a typo.

The UK must have control of its economic area under WTO rules

Correct, but how that control shall be achieved is not defined.

And so it must have a hard border with NI if it destroys GFA

Why would UK want a hard border with NI?

Possible that two borders are installed. A WTO border in NI, whatever that is, and an EU border in Ireland. Even if a WTO border was not installed in NI, Ireland would still be required to install an EU border.

GFA becomes void under the Vienna Convention. Not going to regurgitate the posts here, but look on the thread "Johnson has 30 days to make a deal" to see the legal position on the connection, or lack thereof, between;

Vienna Convention came into force 1980
Good Friday/Belfast Agreement of 1998
BIC actions between 1998 and 2009
Article 50 of 2009
European withdrawal briefing paper February 2016
European revised withdrawal briefing paper January 2017

And destroying GFA brings violence and murder back on the streets of NI AND the Mainland

Prevention of such events is the task of; security services, police and military. I am sure there have been improvement in all three over the last 20 years.

Price worth paying

Subjective question. Those effected by acts of violence will likely say no. Those who are not might say yes.

Guess it comes down to the human trait of:

"I am alright jack"

@Voila212 - Sweet Jesus mystery are you deliberately been obtuse?

@MysteryTripAgain knows exactly what my point is. I have explained it at length both here and on other threads. It just doesn't fit into the narrative they are trying to create of poor little victim Uk, being bullied by the EU, with the Irish failing to ensure the UK couldn't break the GFA.

A wilful act that breaks an international peace treaty is very different to circumstances that make it impossible to comply

Leaving the EU without a deal is allowable under Article 50. Article 50 signed by all 28 members of the EU.

A no deal occurs when BOTH parties fail to reach an agreement.

@whyamidoingthis

EU can't prevent any of the 28 members from leaving the EU.

@MysteryTripAgain - Even if a WTO border was not installed in NI, Ireland would still be required to install an EU border.

I assume you have being following the discussions between Ireland and EU 26 wrt to this? The agreement is that Ireland will do what they can and take things as they come, with regular reviews to see what needs to be done. That is not an instant border.

In contrast, the UK must treat Ireland the same way they treat every other member of WTO. Therefore, if they create a wishy washy border with Ireland, they must do the same for everyone else. Taking back control of your borders?

GFA becomes void under the Vienna Convention. Not going to regurgitate the posts here, but look on the thread "Johnson has 30 days to make a deal" to see the legal position on the connection, or lack thereof, between;

No it does not. As I have repeatedly said, there's a massive difference between circumstances that make it impossible to comply with a treaty and deliberately taking actions that contravene the treaty. With its red lines, the UK is deliberately taking action that contravenes the GFA.

Subjective question. Those effected by acts of violence will likely say no. Those who are not might say yes

Again, you are avoiding a direct question put by @bellinisurge. Let me ask it as well: Do you personally believe a return to violence in NI and, quite likely GB, is a price worth paying for brexit?

If your answer is no: Do you personally believe a return to violence in NI only is a price worth paying for brexit?