Does anyone here actively WANT no deal?

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And if so why, and how do you expect it to play out if that's the outcome?

N Ireland - where the Troubles took place - voted to remain. Do you perhaps wonder why that was? How many of those 17.4 million people will suffer the consequences of their choice in N Ireland? Not very many is the answer. And you totally minimise what those people went through. You should read about it.

@MysteryTripAgain - No I don't, but at same time I can't work out how to say to 17.4 million they can't have what they voted for because it might annoy others who represent much smaller numbers.

You're not seriously starting this nonsense again? As someone who claims the UK electoral system is democratic when you get what you want and undemocratic when you don't get what you want, what you mean is that as you support leave, leave is what should happen.

The troubles period from 60s to 90s were sad times, but the World did not come to a standstill.

That is an absolutely shocking statement. I assume you have no idea as to why the troubles started in NI. They started because of institutionalised discrimination against nationalists, with electoral boundaries to ensure they never got a say. The GFA finally removed that and brought in parity of esteem for both traditions. There was violence and discrimination against nationalists since partition. The fact you only even mention the time period you do shows how little regard you have NI and for the nationalist community in particular.

N Ireland - where the Troubles took place - voted to remain. Do you perhaps wonder why that was

The NI majority to remain in the EU was less than that of Scotland and they did not have the same trouble period as NI. So not a very convincing argument.

And the overall leave majority was even tinier. Does that mean you suddenly give a shit about Remain 😂😂

@MysteryTripAgain - The NI majority to remain in the EU was less than that of Scotland and they did not have the same trouble period as NI. So not a very convincing argument.

You are again showing your ignorance of NI. There is a significant proportion of the population against the GFA. The DUP is against it. They would vote in any way that would reduce alignment with Ireland. The irony is, the leave vote and the position of the DUP means we've never been nearer a united Ireland.

@bellinisurge - And the overall leave majority was even tinier. Does that mean you suddenly give a shit about Remain

@MysteryTripAgain has stated that it is only democratic if they agree with the result, so obviously the answer to that is no.

@MysteryTripAgain, all I can say is that your self confessed ignorance absolutely staggers me.

And the overall leave majority was even tinier. Does that mean you suddenly give a shit about Remain 😂😂

No because the 17.4 million votes in total exceeded the total remain vote. Differences within the individual members don't change the overall result.

@MysteryTripAgain - No because the 17.4 million votes in total exceeded the total remain vote.

Based on your stated ignorance of the meaning of democracy, what you mean is the 17.4 million agree with you.

All the 'no-dealers' are on my local FB page just yelling things like 'leave means leave' it is illegal if we don't leave on the 31st, something about obeying the commands of federal Europe, the Lisbon Treaty and the usual sovereignty and wanting the country back.

They actually don't know or care about the impact of no-deal, they just want out.

It will be interesting to see if the local MP answers the question about the benefits of a no-deal, but I strongly suspect he won't. I wonder if his stance is only because he feels he needs to respect what the local party voted for rather than what he actually feels is the best way forwards.

He can't change his mind now, they will attack him like a pack of wolves.

what you mean is the 17.4 million agree with you

2>1
3>2
4>3
....
....
....

17.4 million > 16.1 million

Alternatively

2%>1%
3%>2%
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52%>48%

Alternatively

2 seats > 1 seat
3 seats > 2 seats
....
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406 seats > 242 seats

Cant see any arguments that the vote of the 2016 was to remain?

@whyamidoingthis

That is an absolutely shocking statement

Read it again after sleeping. You are correct. I have asked MNHQ to delete the post.

Personally, I hope MNHQ leaves that statement up because it's very revealing. It's also a full response to anyone who tries to claim that there's no anti-Irish bigotry on MN.

@Giraffelion2017 - Personally, I hope MNHQ leaves that statement up because it's very revealing. It's also a full response to anyone who tries to claim that there's no anti-Irish bigotry on MN.

I think that @MysteryTripAgain takes an equal opportunities approach to xenophobia, as can be seen with the names she used in her earlier example - A company, EU, employs three people; Engs, Frog and Germ. Each of the employees have a contract with their employer. If any of them want to resign they serve notice to EU in accordance with EU rules they as individuals agreed.

@MysteryTripAgain - my point wrt the numbers who voted is that your opinion on 17.4 million in the brexit referendum vs numbers who voted for the GFA is irrelevant as you have previously stated that the UK system is democratic when you get the result you want but undemocratic when you don't get the result you want. You do not understand the meaning of democracy so you claiming something is democratic or undemocratic is a nonsense.

Very disappointing that MNHQ deleted that post.

@Alsohuman - Very disappointing that MNHQ deleted that post.

Yes, particularly as many other anti-Irish comments made by same poster are left up. It seems they only remove if it's the anti-Irish poster asking them to be removed, rather than an issue with the anti-Irish comments.

I agree. But I always disagree with posts expressing vile opinions being deleted- posters should be made to stick by their views.

as you have previously stated that the UK system is democratic when you get the result you want but undemocratic when you don't get the result you want

Incorrect interpretation. Point was that in UK there are always bad losers whether it is result of a GE or referendum.

1983 GE victory for Thatcher was attributed to the Falklands war according to Labour voters.

1987 GE victory Conservatives was attributed to quick profits for average person in the street from sale of nationalized companies according to labour

1992 GE victory for Conservatives was a puzzler for labour voters as they had nothing to blame.

1997 to 2010 was Labour

2010 GE which resulted in Cons and Lib coalition was attributed to financial crash according to labour.

2015 GE win for Cameron was due to Cameron's promise of a referendum according to labour

2016 referendum win for leave has, for over 3 years, being blamed on;

Leave cheated
Leave lied
Leave voters are thick
Leave voters are racist (some truth in that I would say)

So those who lose always say the winner did not play fair or they got lucky so the vote should be ignored.

The comment that when people win it is democratic and when they lose it is undemocratic is general comment on what I have seen in the UK as opposed to my own individual view.

I did not whine when Labour won the 1997 GE. Likewise if remain had won the 2016 referendum by one vote it is still a win.

I would not have not bleated like the remain supporters who, for three years, have said the vote was too close to be valid so let's do it again.

Saying best of three, best of five, best of seven, until the result is what you want to hear is a bad loser.

@alsohuman
@whyamidoingthis
@BertrandRussell

Which other posts do you think should be removed?

@MysteryTripAgain - Incorrect interpretation. Point was that in UK there are always bad losers whether it is result of a GE or referendum.

Really? It was a very simple question, which you quoted in your post. I repeatedly asked for your opinion on whether you believe the UK electoral system is democratic.

My question was: Do you believe the UK electoral system is democratic?

You responded saying: Democratic if you get the result you want, undemocratic if you don't.

Were you struggling to understand my question? I really don't see how it could have been clearer.

@MysteryTripAgain - Which other posts do you think should be removed?

Off the top of my head, you have conflated terrorist and Irish on another thread.

Yep. Time to cut the cord, brutally and quickly.

No Deal is not cutting the cord. It's continuing the current limbo, but with less food.