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Westminstenders: Drain The Swamp

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 23:23

Johnson lost his first vote by 27.

The Commons take control again, and Johnson is now, with his majority gone, is seeking an election.

Whilst the feeling might be one of victory there is a definite sting in the tail.

Johnson has purged the party of 'trouble makers', meaning any replacements after an election are hard liners. And they will be in safe seats. Possibly many of which will be careerists parachuted in.

The party has split. The civil war is over.

Parliament has just lost some of its very best minds in the process. That bodes ill for us all in the long term. The polarisation has just jacked up a level. The centre has fallen even more.

There are no more moderates.

Polling suggests that Johnson won't be blamed for any of this and that's significant.

Take note of this tweet

Douglas Carswell @Douglascarswell
Boris Vs the political Parasites. Guess who wins across suburban Britain?

The optics are not about what you or I are seeing. Nor about what any of the politicial pundits are seeing.

The Democrats and the Media failed to see Trump coming... And this is what now concerns me. His optics are not bad with his core and targets.

Will Johnson be able to have his election?

If yes, I fear the polls look good for Johnson. People want 'Brexit over with' and don't want another extension. They may or may not understand the ramifications of that.

If no, then what? Johnson can do anything with his numbers. Does that mean potentially two governments and the Queen stuck in the middle? Or does he limp on, with no intention of doing anything but take us over the cliff by counting down the clock?

Or something else?

The Brexit Party and Conservatives now seem to have formally united one way or another. They have aligned with current politics alike the divided Opposition parties.

Tonight the penny might have dropped with a few Labour MPs too. They want May's deal to return. Its the only deal there is, in the absence of a Johnson plan and a Labour / Opposition plan. Too little too late...

This isn't going away as an issue either. Stoking up anger against the rebel alliance is a long term project for the fascist right.

Is tonight’s result a victory? Yes, but my fear is its potential to be a Pyrrhic Victory.

The battle today may have been won, but Johnson still looks set to win...

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taytosandwich · 04/09/2019 21:26

@Belindabelle that's good cause I don't think we are going to get one

Belindabelle · 04/09/2019 21:26

The Speaker just cut him off. He must have dinner plans.

Hoooo · 04/09/2019 21:27

I almost posted 20 mins ago that bercow sounded thoroughly pissed off

Cwenthryth · 04/09/2019 21:28

Camomila I think Bercow is allowed to do that and he just got bored of the Labour back bencher slagging off Boris. Tbf it wasn’t exactly moving the debate along, we know what he was saying. He doesn’t like BJ, lots of people don’t.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/09/2019 21:28

imo, the WA / Kinnock amendment will be the emergency parachute in mid-October

... and with no other way out, I expect the HoC will have to pull the chord

Camomila · 04/09/2019 21:29

Either that or he was worried he'd say something bad, wasn't he the one who picked up the mace a few months ago?

BigChocFrenzy · 04/09/2019 21:29

and I so want to see BJ try to expel May

< sigh > He might by then even make it a free vote, to thwart me

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 21:29

Just a reminder

ANY deal requires A Withdrawal Agreement to pass. There is currently only one WA as Johnson hasn't tried to get another one and the EU aren't interested in another one

Therefore if we want to avoid no deal and remaining / indefinite extension aren't an option May's Deal is the ONLY party in town.

If anti no dealers are serious about being no dealers, that's the only escape route.

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Dockray · 04/09/2019 21:30

Prettybird- just wanted to say how much I agree with your post. I have been incredibly fortunate in my life and want to use that to support others, recognising that I benefit from when they do well.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 21:30

*If anti no dealers are serious about being anti no dealers, that's the only escape route.

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Myriade · 04/09/2019 21:31

f anti no dealers are serious about being no dealers, that's the only escape route.

YY

Belindabelle · 04/09/2019 21:31

And then May will get her peerage.

TheNumberfaker · 04/09/2019 21:32

I thought the WA only allowed an extension of 2 years max?

Camomila · 04/09/2019 21:32

xpost with Cwenryth yeah, it did have the feel of a teacher interupting one of the loud teens at the back of the room.

fedup21 · 04/09/2019 21:32

Oh, why can’t we just revoke Sad

Camomila · 04/09/2019 21:34

Sorry, Cwenthryth

borntobequiet · 04/09/2019 21:35

“Boris it’s not as easy as you thought perhaps”

prettybird · 04/09/2019 21:35

GE not happening.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 21:36

Ayes 298
No 56

Not a majority under FTPA

Government defeat

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borntobequiet · 04/09/2019 21:36

That was BBC Parl.

colouringinpro · 04/09/2019 21:36

fedup21 Yes Sad

NotaRealLawyer · 04/09/2019 21:37

Not your day Boris lad.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 04/09/2019 21:37

Took me far too long to figure out what 2/3 of Parliament was as a figure. Phew!

TokyoSushi · 04/09/2019 21:37

Oh, a shed load of abstentions then?

Oakenbeach · 04/09/2019 21:38

If anti no dealers are serious about being no dealers, that's the only escape route.

But, my goodness, if that happened just imagine the carnage it would cause to both Tories and Labour... it would destroy them both. It would be utter carnage.

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