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Westminstenders: Drain The Swamp

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 23:23

Johnson lost his first vote by 27.

The Commons take control again, and Johnson is now, with his majority gone, is seeking an election.

Whilst the feeling might be one of victory there is a definite sting in the tail.

Johnson has purged the party of 'trouble makers', meaning any replacements after an election are hard liners. And they will be in safe seats. Possibly many of which will be careerists parachuted in.

The party has split. The civil war is over.

Parliament has just lost some of its very best minds in the process. That bodes ill for us all in the long term. The polarisation has just jacked up a level. The centre has fallen even more.

There are no more moderates.

Polling suggests that Johnson won't be blamed for any of this and that's significant.

Take note of this tweet

Douglas Carswell @Douglascarswell
Boris Vs the political Parasites. Guess who wins across suburban Britain?

The optics are not about what you or I are seeing. Nor about what any of the politicial pundits are seeing.

The Democrats and the Media failed to see Trump coming... And this is what now concerns me. His optics are not bad with his core and targets.

Will Johnson be able to have his election?

If yes, I fear the polls look good for Johnson. People want 'Brexit over with' and don't want another extension. They may or may not understand the ramifications of that.

If no, then what? Johnson can do anything with his numbers. Does that mean potentially two governments and the Queen stuck in the middle? Or does he limp on, with no intention of doing anything but take us over the cliff by counting down the clock?

Or something else?

The Brexit Party and Conservatives now seem to have formally united one way or another. They have aligned with current politics alike the divided Opposition parties.

Tonight the penny might have dropped with a few Labour MPs too. They want May's deal to return. Its the only deal there is, in the absence of a Johnson plan and a Labour / Opposition plan. Too little too late...

This isn't going away as an issue either. Stoking up anger against the rebel alliance is a long term project for the fascist right.

Is tonight’s result a victory? Yes, but my fear is its potential to be a Pyrrhic Victory.

The battle today may have been won, but Johnson still looks set to win...

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MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 04/09/2019 20:53

Jess Phillips gets emotional, yes.

As did Nicholas Soames this afternoon. As did Nick Boles when he crossed the floor a few months ago. I think it's a good thing. This is important stuff; I want to see that my representatives give a shit.

Yamayo · 04/09/2019 20:53

My 13 year old sat down with me for a while to watch BBC Parliament.
She found the whole 'right honourable' thing bizarre but loved Jess Philips.

Thought it was nice to see a politician who actually seemed to care. Particularly compared to Nigel Evans Grin

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 20:54

Ian Dunt@iandunt
"It's just a shame that quite a lot of the people who are sat in front of me who know that what happened over the last two days is wrong are too cowardly to actually say in here, in public, what they're all saying in the tea rooms."

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DGRossetti · 04/09/2019 20:55

Well, if Corbyn wants votes, the next few days might yet be the making of him, if it seems he has the upper hand regarding an election. For one person on this thread, how many are there in the real world ?

SansaSnark · 04/09/2019 20:57

I agree, it's good for MPs to show they care sometimes- especially when they are genuinely angry.

Really enjoying listening to Caroline Lucas right now, too!

Driedlimes · 04/09/2019 20:58

Only my second post but I have been an avid follower of these threads since the ref. Thank you all for such interesting perspectives.

Red - I agree with you on Kinnock amendment. Text is relatively light & probably obliges no more than a last resort amended WA vote in any event. No bad thing at all.

I am an ardent remainer - live in the EU etc & fit the remainer stereotype in every way. However, increasingly find myself agreeing with those who advocate some sort of deal ( the softer the better - preferably Norway ++).

I'm really scared by the hatred & polarisation I see on social & in traditional media.

I appreciate it's naive but I had no idea that this debate would become so nasty. I think stopping that & getting back to some sort of political consensus is now the urgent issue.

I'm also fearful of the endgame of a Tory party which has been captured by the far right.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 20:58

One Nation Conservatives @ onenationcons
🚨 This evening the Chairman of the Caucus, @DamianGreen has written to the Prime Minister on behalf of the Caucus asking that the Party whip be reinstated to our colleagues immediately. 🚨

Westminstenders: Drain The Swamp
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Cwenthryth · 04/09/2019 20:59

Jess Philips was no more or less passionate and animated than eg. Nigel Evans was earlier, and no one is saying he was emotional as if that’s a bad thing.

I saw Nigel Evans on Victoria Derbyshire the other day, on a segment about ‘LGBT’ teaching in schools and found myself agreeing with everything he said (he was debating against proper religious homophobes, they didn’t really address the gender ideology aspect of that issue). So he’s not 100% awful. I think I might be seeing him more sympathetically after that segment at the moment.

I genuinely heard ‘sit down Nigel’ but CBA to rewind so will accept I misheard. What a wally if someone said ‘sit down darling’.

commanderdalgleish · 04/09/2019 21:00

Although all the evidence is to the contrary I think boris wants a deal as it's the only way to not completely piss off everyone.

We shall see.

SansaSnark · 04/09/2019 21:00

@DGRosetti Tbf, Corbyn has finally won me over too. I'd say my natural political home is the lib dems, and I have a lot of problems with Corbyn- but I do have respect for him now, and would far rather have him as my PM than Boris Johnson.

Labour were the closest challengers to the Tories in my seat last time around. I'd shockingly actually support lib dems and greens not standing to help get them over the line, if they felt that would work!

Cwenthryth · 04/09/2019 21:02

Have they all buggered off for dinner? Benches are almost empty.

Laska2Meryls · 04/09/2019 21:03

Jess Phillips said
"We shouldn't go on conference recess, we shouldn't be prorogued,"

Could they vote to cancel Conference and keep parliament open?
I suppose not as Tories wouldn't vote for it

SansaSnark · 04/09/2019 21:03

@commanderdalgleish Nicholas Soames on Newsnight last night seemed to think that BJ genuinely wants some kind of deal. However, he also felt that the deal BJ wants would be impossible to get. If BJ wants a deal on his terms, he's just living in a fantasy land.

chomalungma · 04/09/2019 21:04

I suppose not as Tories wouldn't vote for it

Not really an issue at the moment....

Myriade · 04/09/2019 21:05

Have they finished voting today?

chomalungma · 04/09/2019 21:06

Have they finished voting today

Think they vote at 10pm on this - results by 10.10?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 04/09/2019 21:07

They've gone off to the HOL to watch them debate the bill.

fedup21 · 04/09/2019 21:07

Is there a vote tonight?

SansaSnark · 04/09/2019 21:08

They will vote on this bill today I think.

If the opposition united and Tory rebels abstained, they could ditch conference season.

TheMShip · 04/09/2019 21:09

Who was the female MP just speaking? The former teacher. She was very good.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 21:09

Lib Dem Lords @libdemlords
HOL UPDATE: nothing much, pro Boris filibusters still waffling

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Myriade · 04/09/2019 21:09

Which bill is the HoL debating? The Kinnock ne?

BigChocFrenzy · 04/09/2019 21:10

@red Is it evil of me to look forward to something ? Blush

If the WA is brought back in October, then I can't see May or Liddington voting against her WA

If BJ whips against the WA, would we see the current PM expelling the previous PM from the Tory party ?
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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 04/09/2019 21:11

Anyone else wondering how hard TM will be chuckling to herself if MPs vote against a GE? I mean, even she managed to get that through Grin

Cwenthryth · 04/09/2019 21:11

Who was the female MP just speaking? The former teacher. She was very good.

Thelma Walker