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Westminstenders: Drain The Swamp

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 23:23

Johnson lost his first vote by 27.

The Commons take control again, and Johnson is now, with his majority gone, is seeking an election.

Whilst the feeling might be one of victory there is a definite sting in the tail.

Johnson has purged the party of 'trouble makers', meaning any replacements after an election are hard liners. And they will be in safe seats. Possibly many of which will be careerists parachuted in.

The party has split. The civil war is over.

Parliament has just lost some of its very best minds in the process. That bodes ill for us all in the long term. The polarisation has just jacked up a level. The centre has fallen even more.

There are no more moderates.

Polling suggests that Johnson won't be blamed for any of this and that's significant.

Take note of this tweet

Douglas Carswell @Douglascarswell
Boris Vs the political Parasites. Guess who wins across suburban Britain?

The optics are not about what you or I are seeing. Nor about what any of the politicial pundits are seeing.

The Democrats and the Media failed to see Trump coming... And this is what now concerns me. His optics are not bad with his core and targets.

Will Johnson be able to have his election?

If yes, I fear the polls look good for Johnson. People want 'Brexit over with' and don't want another extension. They may or may not understand the ramifications of that.

If no, then what? Johnson can do anything with his numbers. Does that mean potentially two governments and the Queen stuck in the middle? Or does he limp on, with no intention of doing anything but take us over the cliff by counting down the clock?

Or something else?

The Brexit Party and Conservatives now seem to have formally united one way or another. They have aligned with current politics alike the divided Opposition parties.

Tonight the penny might have dropped with a few Labour MPs too. They want May's deal to return. Its the only deal there is, in the absence of a Johnson plan and a Labour / Opposition plan. Too little too late...

This isn't going away as an issue either. Stoking up anger against the rebel alliance is a long term project for the fascist right.

Is tonight’s result a victory? Yes, but my fear is its potential to be a Pyrrhic Victory.

The battle today may have been won, but Johnson still looks set to win...

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MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 04/09/2019 20:43

I have finally fallen in love with Jess Phillips tonight. It's taken a while, but, go on girl!

SansaSnark · 04/09/2019 20:43

@Ohflippineck I do agree with you that things might change- they did last time too. But I can equally see why a lot of people are wary of a general election before 31st October.

Jess Phillips speaking very well.

Peregrina · 04/09/2019 20:44

For their sakes I realise I have to hold my nose, breathe deeply and vote for Corbyn if it comes to it.

I am fortunate being in a LibDem/Tory marginal, but if I lived elsewhere I would probably have to vote for his party, despite not liking him. I do at least think he's substantially more honest that Boris Johnson, who has shown himself to be a liar and a cheat over the years, and for which I hope karma comes to get him.

LouiseCollins28 · 04/09/2019 20:44

Well, fury anyhow.

DustOffYourHighestHopes · 04/09/2019 20:44

So refreshing to hear angry women, and ethnic women! After hours of angry white men.

OublietteBravo · 04/09/2019 20:46

If the WA goes through and the calls for a GE are rejected, then does that thwart Johnson/Cummings’ no-deal plan and leave Johnson as PM and leader of a self-imposed minority government with the ERG out to get him?

chomalungma · 04/09/2019 20:47

Wow.......

I wish more people could watch speeches like Jess'

SansaSnark · 04/09/2019 20:47

She's articulating everything I feel right now very well. And yes, she is furious- but so are a lot of people. I feel she represents my feelings better than anyone who has spoken too far.

Ohflippineck · 04/09/2019 20:47

Absolutely Sansa. BoZos feet have to be nailed to the floor, as one rebel put it earlier, before a GE can be contemplated. There’s absolutely no hurry.
That’s impressed me too, about Corbyn, much as I hate to admit it. He has been wanting this for decades but he’s containing himself and, at least for now it seems, putting country first.

Hoooo · 04/09/2019 20:48

Louise
God forbid....an MP who cares abour their constituents!

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 04/09/2019 20:48

he can have his own beliefs but he can't have his own facts
Clive Efford rebutting Nigel Evans

Belindabelle · 04/09/2019 20:49

Jess gets a bit emotional but that’s good.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 04/09/2019 20:49

Watching on BBC news channel and they talked over Jess P. She looked like she was on a rage, would love to know what she said.

DGRossetti · 04/09/2019 20:49

Jess Phillips is my neighbouring MP ...

Cwenthryth · 04/09/2019 20:50

Big hearts for Jess Philips right now.

Really good point about being inspired by the MPs acting on their conscience re choosing who to vote for. I’m in a marginal Labour/Tory seat currently with a Change MP, I think all 3 would have a realistic chance, I feel a huge sense of responsibility when choosing who to vote for, but have major bones to pick with all of them.

Hoooo · 04/09/2019 20:50

Nigel evans is a rat faced fucker, isn't he!?

chomalungma · 04/09/2019 20:50

I want to move to Yardley just so I could vote for her.

LouiseCollins28 · 04/09/2019 20:50

It’s an act! [Sceptical]

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 04/09/2019 20:50

Jesus, Nigel Evans is such a tedious windbag. It was him yelling 'sit down darling' at Swinson earlier, wasn't it?

DGRossetti · 04/09/2019 20:50

So now Boris wants an election (2 days after he didn't) does he still need Labour to work the FTPA ?

merrymouse · 04/09/2019 20:51

For my family, personally, Corbyn’s policies could financially crucify us but the time for personal concerns has passed

Also, at the moment if you look at the party leader who is madly deselecting MPs, ignoring democracy, risking financial stability and allowing an unelected machiavallian figure to take charge and purge dissenters, it's Johnson, not Corbyn.

Myriade · 04/09/2019 20:51

Jess gets a bit emotional
emotional or just fucking furipoud and with very good reasons?

(Personnal issue of mine - Women are emotional and its baaad....)

Hoooo · 04/09/2019 20:52

Is there another vote tonight?

OublietteBravo · 04/09/2019 20:53

So now Boris wants an election (2 days after he didn't) does he still need Labour to work the FTPA ?

Yes - to get the 2/3 of MPs required.
Or he could try to repeal the FTPA with a simple majority. Oh, wait..... Grin

DGRossetti · 04/09/2019 20:53

It's well worth watching podcasts, where there's no agenda or angle to really get to know politicians well - Jess Phillips spoke a lot of sense on RHLTP as did Ed Milliband with far more nuance and depth than a snip on a TV program that's been edited to within an inch of it's life.

To be fair, David Cameron came across much better at a Cameron direct than you'd expect.