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Westminstenders: Drain The Swamp

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 23:23

Johnson lost his first vote by 27.

The Commons take control again, and Johnson is now, with his majority gone, is seeking an election.

Whilst the feeling might be one of victory there is a definite sting in the tail.

Johnson has purged the party of 'trouble makers', meaning any replacements after an election are hard liners. And they will be in safe seats. Possibly many of which will be careerists parachuted in.

The party has split. The civil war is over.

Parliament has just lost some of its very best minds in the process. That bodes ill for us all in the long term. The polarisation has just jacked up a level. The centre has fallen even more.

There are no more moderates.

Polling suggests that Johnson won't be blamed for any of this and that's significant.

Take note of this tweet

Douglas Carswell @Douglascarswell
Boris Vs the political Parasites. Guess who wins across suburban Britain?

The optics are not about what you or I are seeing. Nor about what any of the politicial pundits are seeing.

The Democrats and the Media failed to see Trump coming... And this is what now concerns me. His optics are not bad with his core and targets.

Will Johnson be able to have his election?

If yes, I fear the polls look good for Johnson. People want 'Brexit over with' and don't want another extension. They may or may not understand the ramifications of that.

If no, then what? Johnson can do anything with his numbers. Does that mean potentially two governments and the Queen stuck in the middle? Or does he limp on, with no intention of doing anything but take us over the cliff by counting down the clock?

Or something else?

The Brexit Party and Conservatives now seem to have formally united one way or another. They have aligned with current politics alike the divided Opposition parties.

Tonight the penny might have dropped with a few Labour MPs too. They want May's deal to return. Its the only deal there is, in the absence of a Johnson plan and a Labour / Opposition plan. Too little too late...

This isn't going away as an issue either. Stoking up anger against the rebel alliance is a long term project for the fascist right.

Is tonight’s result a victory? Yes, but my fear is its potential to be a Pyrrhic Victory.

The battle today may have been won, but Johnson still looks set to win...

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LyraParry · 04/09/2019 19:49

Only just home from work! (Teachers are supposed to be home by 4pm ffs.) is this vote the bill+kinnock amendment?

Ps, thanks so much to the regulars, I'd not have a hope in hell without you lot!

TokyoSushi · 04/09/2019 19:49

Here we go!

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 04/09/2019 19:49

Ayes 327
Noes 299

Made sure I read that properly before hitting send

SistemaAddict · 04/09/2019 19:49

Well, well, well! The ayes have it!

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 19:50

Pippa Crerar@pippacrerar
What??? It looks like Stephen Kinnock's amendment to give MPs a vote on Theresa May's deal has just passed BY ACCIDENT because no tellers were available.

Has the Government done this deliberately to screw the whole vote?

I personally don't think it a complete disaster as I'm a dealer. But those who want to remain won't be happy.

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BigChocFrenzy · 04/09/2019 19:50

Rebel Alliance should only be dismayed by the Kinnock Amendment if they are really a "Remain Alliance"

It is the best chance if stopping No Deal and calming down passions in the country about Brexit

Motheroffourdragons · 04/09/2019 19:51

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Peregrina · 04/09/2019 19:51

My leaver friend kept saying Parliament was "frustrating the will of the people".

We've had that argument trotted out on these threads too, by one of our usual Leavers saying this was because most MPs were Remainers. When it was pointed out that there was an election after the Referendum, so if they are Remainers, that was the choice of the electorate, we were told that the MPs lied about their true intentions.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/09/2019 19:52

The next GE would then not be the divisive Brexit vs Remain,
but a hard right vs soft left Brexit - and many other policies too, hopefully

Myriade · 04/09/2019 19:53

Tbh Mother i thnk it would be very fitting if Brexit is solved by accident..

BigChocFrenzy · 04/09/2019 19:53

Loving the "deep spiritual part" 😂

Cwenthryth · 04/09/2019 19:53

Boris is back in the house. I do think he should have to put a tenner in a jar every time he blood says ‘Frit’. No one talks like that!

BigChocFrenzy · 04/09/2019 19:54

Tories trying to sound in touch with the people say "frit"

MrsT started it

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 04/09/2019 19:54

I was about to say blowjob was seemingly behaving himself better tonight, but then he's kicked off. Here comes the GE request

Myriade · 04/09/2019 19:55

BCF I agree that would be a very good outcome actually.
THEN we could maybe also start discussing what sort of future people envisage for the UK.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 19:55

Ian Dunt@iandunt
Kinnock says the bill has been approved as amended. And calls govt to publish the withdrawal agreement bill. Get a grip man.

Oh yes the withdrawal implementation bill.

Let's see how serious the government are about a deal... Any WA needs the WAIB...

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TokyoSushi · 04/09/2019 19:55

Has he been on the drink already?

Motheroffourdragons · 04/09/2019 19:56

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chomalungma · 04/09/2019 19:56

I think you're going to go to the EU summit, Boris...

Just to see the looks on the other leader's faces!!

Myriade · 04/09/2019 19:57

Ok can someone confirm something for me?

Is the Kinnoch bill basicaly stating that the WA bill has been agreed?!?
Im completely lost there

MarshaBradyo · 04/09/2019 19:57

Election?

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 19:58

Quietly pleased here.

Surprised but think it could be a good thing and take the edge off things.

The question over what happened and why is a very curious one though.

Conspiracy theories will pop up over this one.

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Belindabelle · 04/09/2019 19:59

Ok I am going to need one of you clever people to explain the to me.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 04/09/2019 19:59

Whilst I hate the idea Boris and co having managed to pull a fast one this is probably a good thing isn’t it? I’m not sure what I think anymore. Someone tell me what I think please ...

ListeningQuietly · 04/09/2019 20:00

Utterly confused place mark

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