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Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!

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RedToothBrush · 23/08/2019 00:28

It's quite remarkable to watch the British press atm.

It's like it doesn't understand English. Well only if its English spoken by foreigners.

Merkel made the observation that the UK had spent two years looking at the Irish border but had failed to come up with a workable solution, and now Johnson has waltzed in and made statements about how the backstop must go, and only has 30 days in which this can be achieved.

The British press writes this up as Merkel giving the UK a deadline to come up with a new solution.

Which is nonsense. The UK have a deadline to save itself, from itself and that's 31st October. This is a self imposed deadline.

Meanwhile comes out with the Brexiteer smack down that he didn't think the UK wS leaving the EU to regain its sovereignty only to become a vassalage or junior partner to the US.

Both these ideas being the result of leaving the EU have long been key issues. From before the ref. Both have been the UK's to solve in order to get the terms the UK wants from a deal.

The referendum was about choosing to align with the EU or to ditch that and rights and align closely with the US. Then Trump happened and the sell on this got harder, but still essentially the same. And it continues.

And then there was the Irish border. The magic solution to Brexit that doesn't break the GFA. I personally think there isn't one as long as the DUP have their red lines about the Irish sea.

So here we are. More than 3 years after the ref.

Leavers still have no plan. Apart for charge headlong over the cliff. Remains still have their heads wedged up their own backsides and also, after spending months criticising every one else on social media anyway who makes a stand again this bull shit.

Yet the newspapers fail to report what Merkel said or why the UK has this issue in the first place. Its an ongoing exercise in national delusion and self denial.

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Mistigri · 23/08/2019 12:21

And hope you are right MIstigri you often are.

Been wrong about a bunch of stuff on Brexit ;) but as a forecaster I am used to being wrong, you just pick yourself up and prepare to be wrong again.

I'm relatively confident of my deal or delay forecast though. Blowjob just needs the opposition to get a move on with blocking no-deal so he can get on with blaming them.

Think this week has put paid to an early election btw. When "no discussions till the backstop has been deleted" turned into "Merkel says you've got 30 days" (even though she didn't) his image as the buccaneering Brexiter was instantly tarnished. BXP support will stabilise now.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/08/2019 12:21

Dmitry Grozoubinski@DmitryOpines

It was the backstop being NI only.
Until it was the backstop being non-time limited.
Until it was the backstop.
Until it was the WA itself.

The grievance is the point.

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Christopher Hope@christopherhope

Paging @BorisJohnson

Brexiteer Tories warn Boris Johnson that stripping out the Northern Ireland backstop is not enough to win their support

https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/22/brexiteer-tories-warn-boris-johnson-stripping-northern-ireland/?WT.mcid=tmgsharetw… via @Telegraph_ _

Helene von Bismarck@HeleneBismarck

And this is why there is absolutely no reason to rejoice about Johnson‘s success (real or imaginary) in Berlin & Paris.

Because even if he found an alternative to the backstop (how???), the bigger hurdle is to pass it in Parliament.

So those opposed to No Deal must act, not wait.

DGRossetti · 23/08/2019 12:22

As a side subject how many posters saw Johnson putting his foot on the table when he met Macron? Is Johnson taking things seriously or not? Imagine doing that; at an interview, in a meeting with employer or clients or at someone else's house. You would be chased out.

The actual event was nothing like that ... from what I heard, Macron was charming and made an ice-breaking joke that the table looked like a footstool which Boris in his "look how matey I can be" head took as an invitation. However in the round it's a genius move by the French, and seems to have been (correctly) picked up that they ran rings around Boris media-wise. Possibly with great success, as the "Boris storms Europe" headlines have melted away pretty quickly.

As an aside, I've just been trawling my French news aggregator of choice (MSN - old habits) and the lack of the word "Brexit" anywhere should alarm PostNotInHastes DF, as it's clear no one gives a toss anymore....

ImNotYourGranny · 23/08/2019 12:25

It was still extremely bad manners to put his foot on the table. The correct response is a polite laugh at the comment, not to take it as an invitation to stick your hoof on it.

DGRossetti · 23/08/2019 12:34

It was still extremely bad manners to put his foot on the table. The correct response is a polite laugh at the comment, not to take it as an invitation to stick your hoof on it.

Context is all. I'm still happy that the French hoodwinked Boris into the photo and then removed the context. It's all the more brilliant when you imagine Envy the Brexiteers who saw that photo on their devices and had to excuse themselves for a crafty five-finger-shuffle at the image, oblivious to the nuance.

Bis: bravo !

Cybergenesis · 23/08/2019 12:36

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269499 Here is a petition to request a Brexit Deadline extension

BigChocFrenzy · 23/08/2019 12:36

I didn't think it possible to get a prescription for meds unless the patient is actually in the country

and a British prescription is normally no good on its own, because it won't be in the required format or language for the pharmacy

However, there is at least this online pharmacy in the Netherlands that allows people to give their prescription online and then have the drugs / devices posted to them

www.vitalsana.com/services/impressum

I don't know if they would accept British prescriptions though - anyone know them ? - and you might need Google translate
(With fluent German and a few scraps of French & Latin lessons from 50 years ago, I can puzzle out Dutch)

BigChocFrenzy · 23/08/2019 12:42

Hmm, I still rate No Deal at 95% probability, because it's the legal default if the PM doesn't choose something else

  • I have no faith either in his planning to remain PM more than a few months, or in the HoC's ability to come together and pass a motion to force him to stops / delay No Deal.
theoriginalmadambee · 23/08/2019 12:43

In eu, i think a lot here sees BJ as a minime of Trump.
As suggested by pp, perhaps BJ will be willing to sell up to the US, since it is apparently a okay to sell countries (Greenland). And yes i am furious that anybody, even the us president could think that that is okay.

Either way BJ probably plans on only relying on the US after brexit. As long as it is the current president, god help you all.

DGRossetti · 23/08/2019 12:43

Here is a petition to request a Brexit Deadline extension

Prolonging the agony ...

orangeshoebox · 23/08/2019 13:16

just want to place mark leave this here.

someone clearly had fun finding a name for a schizophrenia drug...

Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
Wenttoseainasieve · 23/08/2019 13:18

*'Prolonging the agony'
*
I agree, but I do worry that no dealing in early November is probably the worst time of year to no deal! Start of flu season, flu vaccine shortages, greater need of antibiotics and anti virals than the summer, usual nhs winter strife compounded by eu staff exodus, less fresh food around as end of our growing season etc etc...

A winter of discontent for certain!

CrunchyCarrot · 23/08/2019 13:33

Given that some people get their liothyronine (a thyroid med) from German pharmacies with a prescription (because it's far cheaper) I'd say it would be possible to get other meds that way.

Peregrina · 23/08/2019 13:34

I have no faith either in his planning to remain PM more than a few months,

It may not be up to him. Events, dear boy, events. The General Public might decide otherwise. I think now it's got to the stage where events are taking on their own life, and he won't be able to stop them.

Songsofexperience · 23/08/2019 13:36

Here we go. The whole point of this sorry business

www.theguardian.com/news/2019/aug/23/asian-billionaires-embark-on-uk-spending-spree-as-pound-nosedives

CrunchyCarrot · 23/08/2019 13:45

This pharmacy in Germany supplies thyroid (and other) meds if you have a prescription. Maybe check out if you need meds.

www.bennewitz.com/pharmacy/

The person I know who got their prescription this way said you get your NHS or private prescription from your GP, submit an order online and then post your prescription to them (Loewen-Apothekem, Markt 3, 09456 Annaberg-Buchholz, Germany). The meds come via courier.

ListeningQuietly · 23/08/2019 13:49

No meatloaf here.

Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
CrunchyCarrot · 23/08/2019 13:53

Also this pharmacy:

www.parcelmed.de/

Translate it to English in Chrome browser. It even states it supplies the UK.

Our Internet pharmacy delivers your order to Belgium, France, Great Britain, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands and Spain (incl. Canary Islands) with only 10 € shipping fee

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 23/08/2019 13:53

Thanks red

theoriginalmadambee · 23/08/2019 13:55

listening I think I hate you Grin. Mine stay green this year.

NoWordForFluffy · 23/08/2019 13:56

My tomatoes haven't ripened yet either. There's time yet (especially with good weather forecast for a good few days).

ListeningQuietly · 23/08/2019 13:57

madam
Find an over ripe apple, halve it and put it by the roots of each plant.
The ethylene will start the ripening process.

FractalChaos · 23/08/2019 14:12

I have just ordered this: [https://amzn.to/2MBNFTh Veg in one bed] as it seems to have a month by month list of what you need to do and how to grow your crops in a small space.

Sometimes I need a book rather than an internet link!

Good tip about the tomatoes as mine haven't ripened either. I have heard also that coffee grounds are good to prevent slugs so have a massive bucket of them from work. Will it affect next years crops? OR be like a compost, does anyone know?

RedToothBrush · 23/08/2019 14:27

Steven Swinford@steven_swinford
Exclusive:

Tory Remainers led by Philip Hammond preparing to hold their own talks with Brussels in bid to reach agreement on A50 extension

Hammond said to have retained extensive contacts book of European leaders & ministers from his time as Chancellor

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2033acf2-c520-11e9-9b38-47c3100effef
Philip Hammond’s Remainers to plot Brexit delay with EU leaders

Interesting phrasing of the headline...

... Do we remember all the times that various Brexiteers have gone to talk to Brussels?

Anyway Stewart Jackson is doing his best Liz Truss 'This. is. a. disgrace.' speech impression on twitter atm.

(that's David Davis's former spad when he was at the Brexit Department who was previously a Conservative MP)

As are several others.

It's actually hilarious.

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woman19 · 23/08/2019 14:33

It's actually hilarious
Just looked: surely a satirical account?

We are 2 months into ripe tomatoes, darn sarf. Apples are great too. I do have a small wild flower patch. I wonder if all the bugs and bees help with fertilising by toms and apples?

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