Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!

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It's quite remarkable to watch the British press atm.

It's like it doesn't understand English. Well only if its English spoken by foreigners.

Merkel made the observation that the UK had spent two years looking at the Irish border but had failed to come up with a workable solution, and now Johnson has waltzed in and made statements about how the backstop must go, and only has 30 days in which this can be achieved.

The British press writes this up as Merkel giving the UK a deadline to come up with a new solution.

Which is nonsense. The UK have a deadline to save itself, from itself and that's 31st October. This is a self imposed deadline.

Meanwhile comes out with the Brexiteer smack down that he didn't think the UK wS leaving the EU to regain its sovereignty only to become a vassalage or junior partner to the US.

Both these ideas being the result of leaving the EU have long been key issues. From before the ref. Both have been the UK's to solve in order to get the terms the UK wants from a deal.

The referendum was about choosing to align with the EU or to ditch that and rights and align closely with the US. Then Trump happened and the sell on this got harder, but still essentially the same. And it continues.

And then there was the Irish border. The magic solution to Brexit that doesn't break the GFA. I personally think there isn't one as long as the DUP have their red lines about the Irish sea.

So here we are. More than 3 years after the ref.

Leavers still have no plan. Apart for charge headlong over the cliff. Remains still have their heads wedged up their own backsides and also, after spending months criticising every one else on social media anyway who makes a stand again this bull shit.

Yet the newspapers fail to report what Merkel said or why the UK has this issue in the first place. Its an ongoing exercise in national delusion and self denial.

Jajas “home” to what?! Unemployment and homelessness?? I’m lucky enough to have a place to go to, which would not require squatting in my childhood bedroom with DH and DC, but I’d be jobless and I’d have to drag the kids kicking and screaming because they’ve never had any school that’s not English, their life is in England

It’s my plan B, but it’d mean that aged 45 I’d lose everything I’ve built for the past 15, and particularly the teen DS would be traumatised by the change...

Remainers or those who don’t want to leave with no deal and worry about The GFA don’t have a voice or anyone who represent them at all anymore.

Corbyn's Labour seem to have the only half sensible plan out there

Agree that after leaving the EU will still be blamed for all the problems in the UK and for the no deal outcome. People will believe that.

I want to leave but it’s difficult to leave with 2 children in the middle of A levels. I wish I had younger children as it would be less disruptive for them. Also not easy for EU citizens to leave with their British spouses of course.....

"the EU will still be blamed for all the problems in the UK"

The EU always was
but for a non-member that won't matter nearly as much

and certainly that concern won't cause the EU to make any concessions

Cheri I totally agree that moving countries with DC under 18 is a real last resort and one shouldn't under-estimate that.
Also, transferring Sterling atm effectively means losing 15% of your assets compared to pre-ref, possibly 30%+ if Sterling crashes again after No Deal
and it is likely to be tough selling a homeafetr ND, if you own one

iirc, Those of us here who have emigrated are all either longterm expats before Brexit, childfree or have adult DC

"Plan B" might be better trying to get a job in say the Netherlands, Sweden or any prosperous country where English is widespread

Also, unemployment in Germany is 3% and employers are competing for any competent employee with a pulse

Corbyn's Labour seem to have the only half sensible plan out there

Seriously 🤔

Seriously

In the event of a PV before GE Labour will campaign for Remain against a Tory Deal/No Deal

In the event of a Corbyn led GNU, negotiate an extension and then GE

In the event of a Labour government, negotiate a CU&SM Lexit and then given back to the people as a Lexit/Remain campaign

Meatloaf remainers dont seem to like it much though

The UKs relations with the EU could rapidly go down hill, any EU citizen here, should head home.

Jas, I know you mean well but this is really not helpful. It's really anxiety inducing for all the people who have their lives here and can't just up sticks and leave.
Those words: "they should go home" is a phrase that should never be used.

'they should go home' for many means their address in the uk

In the event of a PV before GE Labour will campaign for Remain against a Tory Deal/No Deal

Says who? Corbyn won’t agree to that.

He’s had 3 years to support remain but he’s a Leaver so he hasn’t

He’s the very reason Labour aren’t miles ahead in the polls.

Whats your objection to that Bear other than Corbyn = bad? Although I realise you are now a No Dealer

Donald J. Trump @realdonaldtrump
Before I arrived in France, the Fake and Disgusting News was saying that relations with the 6 others countries in the G-7 are very tense, and that the two days of meetings will be a disaster. Just like they are trying to force a Recession, they are trying to “will” America into..

....bad Economic times, the worse the better, anything to make my Election more difficult to win. Well, we are having very good meetings, the Leaders are getting along very well, and our Country, economically, is doing great - the talk of the world!

So many things here to unpick.

I do note that at times where the economy has just taken a down turn, US Presidents do tend to be punished for it at the polls.

Trump is anticipating this. He's blaming the G7 (take away the UK and the US and that's Canada, France, Germany, Japan and Italy). He's doing the same as Johnson in essence.

Going on the attack he's always preempted negative press so this is his way to beat the economic downturn in the US: but he needs people to blame internationally and domestically.

Getting the UK economy as the US's slave is a prize and key policy to win in 2020.

I also note the stepping up of the Fake news stuff.

The title of this thread is very much deliberate. After Trump came to power he's done much to squeeze the access of media which didn't tow the line. CNN and the BBC in particular.

With Johnson as Prime Minister the same is happening here and it is going to get a lot worst.

C4 is being marginalised in particular and I note attacks are being stepped up. The BBC isnt doing the same job in the UK as it has with the US either

It's authoritarianism.

I'm going to stress just how much everything that's happened in the US in the last 3 years is going to happen here - if it hasn't already.

September is when we go full on Trump. Brace yourself for it.

My objection is simply that it’s not going to happen

The stumbling block is a GNU then a GE as that will put us back to where we've been.

A GNU, PV and then GE makes more sense to me because if leave wins the PV then the manifestos can state what brexit each party will go for. We can all vote accordingly which would break the deadlock.

So many of the news headlines this morning have made me breathless with rage.

Jas, I know you mean well but this is really not helpful. It's really anxiety inducing for all the people who have their lives here and can't just up sticks and leave.

Yes! And DH has been here for nearly 20 years, so how do you define ‘home’ exactly? It would be so hard to uproot poor DD, particularly as she’s an only child. And I’m terrified of living somewhere that I don’t know the language (yes, I’ve been trying to learn, but I’m too old or stupid or both).

Still, as DGR yesterday implied that no deal is going to lead to cannibalism, this is relatively tame in comparison.

A GNU, PV and then GE makes more sense to me because if leave wins the PV then the manifestos can state what brexit each party will go for. We can all vote accordingly which would break the deadlock.

But who will make sure that the manifestos represent something that would actually be possible/acceptable to the EU? So the Tories could go for one with no Irish backstop, but that’s just the same as no deal because the EU can’t accept it. People don’t seem to understand that, though.

I see that Blowjob wants to sell British pork pies and English wine to the US🤮

queen that's the responsibility of the opposition to point out and voters to work out. The border would need to be a talking point in debates.

The Columnist
@Sime0nStylites

In today’s ST from YouGov - another ringing endorsement for No Deal.

Brexit outcome preferences:

No deal 26%
Ref and Remain 35%
Deal w SM and CU 17%
TM Deal 7%
DK 15%

I understand jajas meaning, i know she didn’t mean it as others mean it (I’ve stopped reading the comments on social media to preserve some mental sanity, but there’s plenty that say “they should just go home” meaning “bugger off, you nasty”)

I am on the continent right now, and I can tell you that Italians don’t really follow British politics and could not care less about brexit. They’ve got their own problems, but it’s summer, and it’s time for beach and gelato. Don’t expect any sympathy from here....the perception is (broadly) that the U.K.=London, London =a majestic pot of money, the Majestic pot of money doesn’t want to have anything to do with the Mediterranean peasants, and they want to break up to pursue some other business deals. But the amount of riches means that they’ll not suffer.

When I mentioned that I’ve got 50 bags of pasta stocked up they looked at me as if I was a lunatic

Poll is at the end of this article.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c428d126-c6aa-11e9-828d-56121e952493

I thought the same about how they should "just go home". Do I tell my German friend that she goes back to Germany, where she has one elderly sister left? Or does she stay here where she has a husband, sons and a grandchild? Which is home? Thankfully she owns her own home and is retired, so no checks are required on whether she would be entitled to rent, or work. Maybe she will be told she can't use the NHS - despite living here for 50 odd years?

Oh flower of Scotland ...get your union jack sports socks two for a tenner” #janeygodleyvoiceover

twitter.com/JaneyGodley/status/1165429066121584645

Interesting the 'go home' stuff. Confirms my initial thoughts on these islands from 50 odd years ago.

At what point does "enhanced policing" become an occupation ?

I know, let's ask Putin.