So Johnson has 30 days to come up with an alternative to the backstop......

[Bearbehind]

This will be interesting to watch!

No deal needs to happen to shut these fuckers up. It’s the only way now.

That doesn’t really help the millions of us in England who didn’t vote for it.

Yes you did

No I didn’t just

Brexit is not split on party lines.

The referendum was not my reason for previously voting Tory, TbH it wasn’t really on my radar.

Who can honestly say they agree with everything in the manifesto of the party they vote for?

When did you vote Tory?

In the Green Corner we have Bellini and in the Red, White and Blue Corner we have Bearbehind.

Ding ding seconds out for the first round..........

To Bellini

If NI was to remain in the CU and SM would they not be required to contribute to the EU fund in the same way as UK does at present? If so how would the money be raised as the rest of UK would be out of EU and not be making further payments to the EU

If NI were to remain in the CU and SM, but without having to pay into the EU is that not similar to what UK has been accused of wanting cake and eating at same time?

You can't have it both ways. I've explained on another thread how the suggestion (not mine- a slip of the tap) of an NI backstop may well attract cross party Leaver MP support.

The referendum was not my reason for previously voting Tory

Doesnt matter what your reasons were you still voted for them and they provided you with the referendum you so despise and you've become to entrenched in your views, while I agree we need to remain and I voted that way in the referendum, but like brexiteers who voted for no deal no matter that no deal wasnt on the ballot but theyve become so entrenched in the views that no deal is now the only pure way forward, Corbyn is offering everything remainers apparently want, no deal taken off the table and a referendum with remain on the ballot , what more do you want? Obviously as a Tory you dont want Corbyn in but he is the LOTO and isnt planning on enacting any Labour policies, so like I say you;ve become so entrenched that only revoke will do but that is as much a remainer unicorn as getting the cake deal is for brexiteers

@MysteryTripAgain , no they wouldn't pay to stay in the single market. The "price" would be keeping GFA alive, trade moving smoothly at an EU external border. If NI made money off of it, that would save inward investment that will be hard to get from Westminster after Brexit and definitely won't come from Brussels any more.

Doesn't matter what your reasons were you still voted for them and they provided you with the referendum you so despise

It is estimated that 60% who voted Labour in the 2017 GE also voted leave in the 2016 referendum. Likewise some conservative voters also voted remain.

It is estimated that 60% who voted Labour in the 2017 GE also voted leave in the 2016 referendum. Likewise some conservative voters also voted remain.

Had the Tories not got into power in 2015 there wouldnt have been a referendum, but tories voting to remain after voting for the party that promised the referendum probably have more to answer for than any other group in my opinion

The party that along with the Libdems gave you the reasons for Brexit austerity focused in the poorer economic regions of Britain and the Tories fear of losing their xenophobic base to UKIP at the time

Given that this debate has been rumbling in the Tory Party since the 1970s, I can't see how you wouldn't have noticed Cameron's stunt to stave off leaking voters to UKIP.

just give over.

I voted Tory up until 2015. No one expected leave to actually win the referendum, it was supposed to just shut the Tory loons up.

Those who actually voted Leave are to blame for this mess and that’s not even split along party lines.

If you are a Remainer Tory, you should be all about compromise. The suggestion I have repeated is a compromise solution.

Those who actually voted Leave are to blame for this mess and that’s not even split along party lines.

Nope this shitshow falls at the feet of the Tory party and to some degree the austerity enabling LibDems deserves some credit, the party that brought you the referendum also brought you the idiocy that was May and her redlines not to mention her cabinet and the same party that has brought you No Deal Johnsohn how is this anyones fault other than the Tories

I understand your need to punish the poor and vulnerable was more compelling than the referendum but thats what you voted for

like I say you;ve become so entrenched that only revoke will do but that is as much a remainer unicorn as getting the cake deal is for

Where have I said that only revoke will do?

Your problem is you take one thing, like the fact I previously voted Tory, and cling on to it forever.

I’m politically homeless now as I won’t vote Tory or Labour and a Lib Dem vote here is wasted.

I did originally hope that Revoke would happen but it’s clear to me that only no deal will do now

It’s the only way to shut those who think it’s all going to be fine up.

I am trying to come up with a workable solution to avoid No Deal. I am ready personally for No Deal (as I can be) because I am a general prepper. But I will fight it every step of the way for my DD's sake.
And the suggestion I have given is doable. I am not a nihilist, I think we should all try to stop No Deal.

just you can try to insist this is entirely the fault of the Tories and all those who ever voted for them if it makes you feel better.

It doesn’t explain Labour Leavers or the fact that the Tories only won the 2017 GE because Corbyn is unelectable.

Sorry Bear, I dont just mean you tbh I mean all Tory voters who voted for the 2015 manifesto, youve all fucked Britain no matter how all this turns out Britain wont be the same again even if it manages to not break apart

And the suggestion I have given is doable

bellini it’s no more doable than the WA going through, us changing the red lines or even revoking.

It’s pointless keeping banging on about it

Meh unelectable we'll see, biggest vote share of any Labour leader since the 40's and lost the Tory party their majority on his first go, Im ok with that and currently the only option to try and rescue this shitshow while hopefully not alienating too many of the 52/48 other than in their hate for him

It doesn’t explain Labour Leavers

Most Labour leavers are focused in the north, you know that region the Tories have been underfunding since 2010, I think it explains it well

Sorry. I disagree. It is doable and I will not stop promoting it on here just because you disagree. You are the only voice of disagreement I have heard. I have even had some of our Leaver stalwarts accepting it as possible.
It's not pretty. It needs work but it is better than nothing. And nothing appears to be all we have.

Most Labour leavers are focused in the north, you know that region the Tories have been underfunding since 2010, I think it explains it well

So those who voted for reasons that had nothing to do with the EU then