So Johnson has 30 days to come up with an alternative to the backstop......

[Bearbehind]

This will be interesting to watch!

Well, that would enable the possibility of invoking article 50 after a few years, when there is a kind of certainty that the thing can work, should there ever be an appetite. But I suspect before that a few brexitparty supporters would have attempted to blow up parliament ;-)
(Regarding Trump: he doesn’t even try to justify or explain himself anymore. He just says FakeNews and that’s it. He has made acceptable to be in charge and completely unaccountable)

It will be a process of getting the eu to agree to what they find acceptable. If they don’t agree bj will argue (rightly) that they wouldn’t have agreed after 2 years either so no deal will avoid putting the uk in a position where they are indefinitely caught in the backstop. It will at worst allow him to say he proved the eu was never genuine about releasing the uk from the backstop and hail it as a win that he proved it now rather than when it was too late. I don’t see it as humiliation for him at all although I do see merkel as a great compromiser.

@MeganBacon the EU would agree to an NI only backstop and a border in the sea. Would you?

But the backstop really isn’t an issue.

If we put in place whatever magical solution we are thinking of then it isn’t needed.

The reality is the EU, quite rightly, don’t trust us to deliver and are assuming our plan is to just not bother with a solution and leave via the back door and hope no border is needed.

I don’t know when it’s going to sink in that this isn’t the EU being difficult - it’s the only possible option given the UKs red lines.

@Bearbehind , if a magical solution comes up, brilliant. In the meantime, make NI a special economic area and put the actual border in the sea. NI can stay part of the UK as much or as little as it likes - which is how GFA pretty much works. Peace and prosperity.

Bellini,
The loyalists will never accept an NI only backstop. Another reason to revoke the whole thing!

bellini I know you are on a 1 woman crusade about NI being a special economic area but it’s a shit idea.

It will break up the UK

I don't give a shit about the DUP. I think the fact that NI came out for Remain shows that both communities don't either. Unlike the DUP, they just want peace and prosperity.

I don't care about breaking up the UK if that's what Scotland and or Wales want. If the DUP wanted to be like the rest of the UK they should have made sure there was parity of civil rights. No right to abortion. No right to equal marriage.

They have form for not wanting civil rights and they were against GFA.

I don't care about breaking up the UK if that's what Scotland and or Wales want.

Well luckily for the rest of us it isn’t your decision.

If Scotland wants to be independent, that is not my decision. If Wales wanted it, also not my decision. Would you really stand in the way of that?
As for NI? why is making NI a special economic area, breaking up the UK? It would still be part of the UK.

bellini if you think countries leaving the UK and / or operating under different rules to the other countries is acceptable that’s your call but surely you can see that not everyone will agree with you.

Aside from anything else, why should England be the only one who has to put up with this shit?

AWhile ago the tariff regime for no deal proposed by Gove was such that it seemed NI would be treated differently.with a vastly different tariff to the rest of the U.K. Not sure why this went under the radar. Don’t think I dreamt it!

I don't read it that way. Workable solution was what had to be proposed in 30 days. I don't see where the production and implementation is included?

It isn't included.What I think it means is that if a workable solution is found in the next 30 days then the WA could be tweaked. And so Parliament can accept (hopefully) the WA and we can move into the transition stage on 1st November.

I may be wrong about this of course, not being stellar in the politics dept, but that's how I read it.

"why should England be the only one who has to put up with this shit?" Because unlike Scotland and NI, England voted for it.

I should have added then when we're in the transition phase Johnson and Co can work on producing and implementing Magic Unicorn Borderline v 1.0 to be ready when we officially cut loose from the EU (end 2020?)

@Bearbehind „Aside from anything else, why should England be the only one who has to put up with this shit“

Because the majority in England voted for it?

That doesn’t really help the millions of us in England who didn’t vote for it.

What I think it means is that if a workable solution is found in the next 30 days then the WA could be tweaked.

crunchy the WA already requires a workable solution with the backstop in place if it fails.

But we have to accept the majority decision of this stupid fucking advisory referendum. My suggestion makes it work in an orderly way. At this stage, it's the best we can hope for.

FGS bellini it’s not your suggestion, it’s an option that has already failed

I know it's not MY suggestion. But it has never been tested in Parliament.
Revoke won't happen. No Deal can't happen. What you got?

I don't think BoJo cares really. He can simply default to no deal exit and if it looks like its all going pear shaped call an election and let Labour win and carry the can.

The country voted exit so we can't blame the politicians this time. Was the question do we leave the EU or was it lets get a nice deal and then leave. We leave and either sink or swim it was our decision. I suspect there are lots of things about to come out of the woodwork shortly. No point fretting its happening we just have to get on with it.