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The Spirit of the Blitz

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Chickenkatsu · 21/08/2019 15:47

blogs.warwick.ac.uk/markharrison/entry/brexit_as_economic/

Fourth, our willingness to “keep calm and carry on” will be much less than was the case in 1939 or 1914. We are not at war. We are divided among ourselves. Our government is representative of an extreme, not of a broad national coalition. Half the country expects Brexit to be painless or quickly beneficial. The other half sees it as a self-inflicted wound. Neither of these constituencies seems likely to put up with much pain for the good of the cause.

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Helmetbymidnight · 22/08/2019 12:20

Oh no, you're not really trying to compare the experiences of an elderly Jewish man who came here to flee from the Nazis and was subsequently imprisoned here with the experience of a Nazi Prisoner of War?

Please say you understand the difference between these scenarios.

lolaflores · 22/08/2019 12:22

And you know what? Government weren't ready for the Blitz either. Didnt want to open tube stations cos people might not, wisely, want to come out again.
Shelters collapsed killing people.
Evacuations were mismanaged.
Kids sent to a abusive houses turned into cheap labour...
Awful homelessness amongst the most vulnerable elderly.
One man killed himself and ery elderly infirmed wife because the future for them was bleak as fuck
Lots of fond memories if it actually happened to you

Mistigri · 22/08/2019 12:27

anger was pointless when it came to ending apartheid.

I have to react to this. Anger was what ended apartheid - anger among black South Africans which led to armed struggled, and anger amongst anti-apartheid activists elsewhere which drove boycotts of the apartheid regime and its corporate interests. Mandela himself was in favour of armed struggle, after peaceful protest failed.

What Mandela showed was that once major political change has been obtained, it is important to seek reconciliation and compromise, rather than demonising former opponents. Maybe something that we should reflect on.

Peregrina · 22/08/2019 12:34

People bombed out losing everything except the clothes they stood up in, which was particularly tough if that was your nightclothes. Then having to 'couch surf' with friends and borrow clothing. Oh yes, it was fun for those people. But you have to carry on and make the best of things.

jasjas1973 · 22/08/2019 12:39

Yes Mandela and De Klerk both compromised, allowing SA to progress, its not perfect but SA has avoided the blood baths that affected many other African states.

In a similar vein, McGinness/Adams and Paisley have done something similar in NI, a very great shame that political ideology is going to undo their work.

Peregrina · 22/08/2019 12:44

Both achievements jasjas which I would have thought almost impossible.

Helmetbymidnight · 22/08/2019 13:14

im looking forward to hearing the facts how an article about a nazi prisoner of war contradicts anything Woman said?

BishopofBathandWells · 22/08/2019 14:15

@howwudufeel You said earlier up thread that in times of crisis you tend to revert to cold facts, and that even your children have noticed this change in you.

Doesn't that sadden you, that you're in a situation not of your own making, in which you've had to resort to behaving in such a way that even your children are affected by it? Doesn't that make you angry?

Honestly, I absolutely understand the anger being expressed here. We are a first world country. The Yellowhammer report is genuinely sickening. I was a child in a mining town in the 80s and I've gone hungry. I don't want that for my children.

It isn't just about getting on with it - people will always try and do that, as best as they can. It's about acknowledging that we are about to enter an absolute nightmare. People are actually going to die. They will starve, they will lack basic medicines.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm fucking terrified for the future.

howwudufeel · 22/08/2019 14:40

Bishop My dc are very proud of me. They think I cope well with difficult situations. That’s why they commented on it Smile

Songsofexperience · 22/08/2019 15:10

Good on you to be their rock. They probably need that because if they've commented on it, could it mean they don't feel they cope as well as you?

howwudufeel · 22/08/2019 15:53

Nothing like that. They cope very well in tough situations largely because they have had to.

Helmetbymidnight · 22/08/2019 15:55

That’s interesting woman because this article which contradicts what you are trying to prove appeared in the local newspaper recently.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/german-prisoner-war-who-loved-16624066.amp

Can you explain the cold facts here pls.

Mamamia456 · 22/08/2019 15:55

Bishopofbatandwelks - Who's going to starve?

howwudufeel · 22/08/2019 15:57

They are contained within the article Helmet.

BoJoIsABellend · 22/08/2019 16:11

My grandmother suffered stomach ulcers, due to the stress of living through the Blitz and food rationing. Her type 1 diabetic brother died due to lack of insulin. I'm also type 1 and no amount of blitz spirit will keep me alive, sadly onmy insulin will do that 😞

PancakeAndKeith · 22/08/2019 16:53

I love how the Daily Mail skirts over some of this www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1264532/The-blitz-70-years-Carnage-Caf-Paris.html

The worst of human nature was in evidence that night too – amid the rubble and the chaos, unscrupulous looters were seen cutting off the fingers of the dead to steal their rings

Helmetbymidnight · 22/08/2019 16:53

no- i thought you were more interested in cold facts than the rest of us: what is there in the article that contradicts what woman was trying to prove?

howwudufeel · 22/08/2019 17:01

Read both articles and decide for yourself. Clearly nothing I say will change your mind or stop you from mocking me.

PancakeAndKeith · 22/08/2019 17:01

The article is about a man who was a prisoner of war who married an English woman.
How does that contradict anything?

howwudufeel · 22/08/2019 17:04

One article says people at the Huyton camp were treated badly. The other says the opposite.

Helmetbymidnight · 22/08/2019 17:15

what do you think Woman was trying to say.

i think she was trying to prove that british anti-semitism was rife during the war.

to illustrate that, she showed how a frail elderly jewish man was taken from his home and put into an internment camp- which he had to share with nazis. the same people he was running away from. this happened to 1000s of jewish refugees.

and you think posting an article about a nazi p of war staying in liverpool disproves her theory?

i think you have trouble understanding very simple information.

howwudufeel · 22/08/2019 17:17

Yes. I am clearly extremely stupid Smile

PancakeAndKeith · 22/08/2019 17:18

One article says people at the Huyton camp were treated badly. The other says the opposite.

Ok. And that is relevant to the ‘spirit of the blitz’ because......?

Helmetbymidnight · 22/08/2019 17:23

do you understand that one is an elderly jewish refugee from the nazis? do you understand that the other was a nazi soldier?
do you understand that whatever the experience of the nazi p of war it doesnt negate the fact that during the good old days of ww2-

1000s of jews were rounded up and imprisoned in internment camps.

they sometimes had to share those prisons with nazis.

do you actually think your article means there was no anti-semitism in ww2?