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The Spirit of the Blitz

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Chickenkatsu · 21/08/2019 15:47

blogs.warwick.ac.uk/markharrison/entry/brexit_as_economic/

Fourth, our willingness to “keep calm and carry on” will be much less than was the case in 1939 or 1914. We are not at war. We are divided among ourselves. Our government is representative of an extreme, not of a broad national coalition. Half the country expects Brexit to be painless or quickly beneficial. The other half sees it as a self-inflicted wound. Neither of these constituencies seems likely to put up with much pain for the good of the cause.

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PostNotInHaste · 22/08/2019 08:35

Though I do understand that is some people’s coping mechanism.

Helmetbymidnight · 22/08/2019 08:39

howudufeel, tbf you asked, And how are people expected to die because of Brexit? so its fair to assume either you didn't know anything about the danger to medical supplies etc or you were dismissing them.

i didnt realise you were just trying to keep positive.

jasjas1973 · 22/08/2019 08:41

Blitz spirit? My God has it come to this to defend Brexit....? was that on the bus too - can't remember.

TBH the British got off very lightly, a year or two of bombing and 60k deaths, about the number of additional deaths in one severe flu season.

Compare this to what Germany suffered, the Japanese or the Poles? 10s of 1000s burned to death on one night in Dresden, eye witness reports of whole families just melted together, one british POW forced to work on clean up said he hated the british for what they did there.

War is a great opportunity for criminality, smuggling and fraud... my grandad went to war and his land turned over to crops, his neighbour stayed on the farm, kept an acre or two aside from the authorities and grew flowers.. made a fortune, even boasted about.

Blitz spirit - what a load of crap.

PancakeAndKeith · 22/08/2019 08:42

Set up the EU/Immigration as “the enemy” and stir up peoples emotions as a result.

When you think about it it is a staggeringly good piece of propaganda.
The leave campaign have managed to convince many people that the likes of Farage, Jonson and Rees-Mogg are not the enemy but that immigrants are. They managed to convince people that Farage is a regular bloke who likes a pint, not the privately educated son of a stock broker.
It’s the old biscuit analogy isn’t it.
-Farage, an average person and an immigrant are having a cup of tea together. There is a plate of biscuits. Farage takes all but one of the biscuits then points to the immigrant and says to the average person ‘careful, he’s after your biscuit’.

howwudufeel · 22/08/2019 08:45

Helmet I was just asking the question rather than trying to argue against you. I do tend to become very cool headed and fact focussed during a crisis (which this is). I have been through some pretty catastrophic personal stuff and kept everything together by doing this. Even my dc noticed this when they were really little. It is definitely my coping mechanism.

Emilyontmoor · 22/08/2019 08:46

I read somewhere a tweet speculating what would have happened in the air raid shelters if 48 % knew the other 52% had voted to be bombed?

twofingerstoEverything · 22/08/2019 08:46

howwudyoufeel - would really appreciate you answering my question from Wednesday at 19.22.
Here it is again:
Howwud wrote: When I read some of the language people choose to use on both side It really worries me about the future.
Yes, calling your fellow citizens 'enemies of the people' and 'traitors' is extremely worrying. Can you give similar examples of equally inflammatory language used by the other 'side'?
Bellini's post has also reminded me of Johnson's use of the word 'collaborators'. There will be no pulling together/getting on with things if one side is using such provocative language. I know there's name-calling on both sides (gammon/remoaners etc.) but that's petty, rather than intentionally aimed to position one specific group as 'the enemy' of the country. Adopting a Blitz spirit will not help this at all.

PostNotInHaste · 22/08/2019 08:47

Its excellent propaganda and they have played an absolute blinder from the start.

Ohflippineck · 22/08/2019 08:47

howwudufeel

The dedicated shipping channel I was talking about refers to the shipping line for medicine, not fresh food Ohflippineck”

Various medicines are equally temperature sensitive, same restriction applies.

howwudufeel · 22/08/2019 08:47

twofingers There is inflammatory language on both sides. You only need to read this thread to see that. It worries me.

jasjas1973 · 22/08/2019 08:48

The dedicated shipping channel I was talking about refers to the shipping line for medicine, not fresh food

Oh that's alright then, so relieved.... not.

I really don't see this working too well.

PostNotInHaste · 22/08/2019 08:49

Really we should all regardless of what we voted and what we believe now, be incredibly angry at how we have been manipulated into two sides and then the divisions exacerbated. It’s very clever and incredibly nasty.

twofingerstoEverything · 22/08/2019 08:49

I was referring to stockpiling by the Government actually.
Unfortunately, stockpiling requires warehousing and warehousing is already under severe pressure. Can we build and fill enough warehouses over the next two months to meet the country's needs in the event of no deal?

howwudufeel · 22/08/2019 08:49

Anger is pointless though.

howwudufeel · 22/08/2019 08:52

I am being misquoted left right and centre. I was talking about stockpiling of medical goods. Not food, not businesses stockpiling. Government stockpiling of medicines.

PancakeAndKeith · 22/08/2019 08:53

I have never been in favour of Brexit but things have moved on and we now have to live with the reality that it’s happening.

Why? I won’t. No I’m going to march, there is little else that can be done but I’m not going to sit by and watch this happen.

PostNotInHaste · 22/08/2019 08:53

Anger can be a catalyst for change . Apartheid didn’t stop by people just sitting back. It can be destructive but it can be an instrument of change.

howwudufeel · 22/08/2019 08:53

If you think that will make a difference then fine.

howwudufeel · 22/08/2019 08:54

Nelson Mandela proved that anger was pointless when it came to ending apartheid.

PostNotInHaste · 22/08/2019 08:55

We’re all different and people react in different ways. I recognise you are doing what you need to to get through this shit storm unscathed.

bellinisurge · 22/08/2019 08:56

@howwudufeel , we did all that lovely "let's just move forward and make this work " stuff with GFA. And No Deal fucks with it.

jasjas1973 · 22/08/2019 08:56

@howwudufeel

'Fraid you haven't, you come across as a complete idiot.

The way you post, anyone would think you believe the Brexit disaster has been caused by Putin blockading the 'channel.

Of course we should be angry, people need to hold this shitshow of a Govt to account.

twofingerstoEverything · 22/08/2019 08:57

There is inflammatory language on both sides. You only need to read this thread to see that. It worries me.
I can't really see any examples of similarly inflammatory language on this thread, and am not talking about a few keyboard warriors on a parenting website. I am talking about powerful people and mainstream media using phrases like 'enemies of the people', 'traitors', 'collaborators'...

jasjas1973 · 22/08/2019 08:58

Nelson Mandela? jesus wept, the black south africans didn't vote for apartheid.

PostNotInHaste · 22/08/2019 08:58

It may not make a difference but it’s keeping me going to do everything I can , which is not much as there’s not a lot anyone can do. But if I have Grandchildren it’s important to me that I can stand there and look them in the eye and say ‘I tried’. I’m saying this as a Grandchild of the Nazi Generation since we’re on war language and rhetoric.