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Plans to end freedom of movement on day after Brexit.

118 replies

DirtyToiletBrush · 18/08/2019 16:05

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-eu-brexit-freedom-of-movement-ends-november-boris-johnson-priti-patel-home-office-a9064376.html

How is this even workable?

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QueenOfThorns · 19/08/2019 14:01

Luckily Italy allows dual citizenship so I will save up and naturalize. I don't fancy posting my passport anywhere!

@Camomila you will probably need to post your passport anyway. I had to post off my DD’s Dutch passport last month when I renewed her British one (I didn’t like it, but had no choice, and it came back quickly).

Heatherjayne1972 · 20/08/2019 08:57

Does anyone know what will happen with the channel tunnel if FOM ends suddenly ?
Surely a huge chunk of lorry drivers will abruptly be barred from leaving or entering as they’re Eu citizens ?
What about the train drivers and other staff?

It’s not going to be pretty is it

Clavinova · 20/08/2019 09:21

Does anyone know what will happen with the channel tunnel if FOM ends suddenly?

Just googled that - 'Home Office in the media';

"There have been reports in media and on social media regarding the rights of EU citizens resident in the UK after we leave the European Union."

"Some inaccurate reporting has suggested that, once freedom of movement ends after Brexit, EU citizens resident in the UK will be left in “legal limbo”."

Bottom of page;
"Will lorry drivers entering the UK on or after 1 November have to have their passports checked at Calais?"

"Yes –as now, all incoming passengers (including freight drivers) need to have their travel documents checked when travelling between UK and France."

homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2019/08/19/media-factsheet-eu-citizens-and-freedom-of-movement/

Havanananana · 20/08/2019 10:12

"Some inaccurate reporting has suggested that, once freedom of movement ends after Brexit, EU citizens resident in the UK will be left in “legal limbo”

EU citizens will not be left in 'legal limbo' if they have successfully applied for settled status, or are in the process of doing so, but then reality gets in the way.

Until 31st October EU citizens who are resident in the UK can freely enter and leave the UK, as can EU citizens resident anywhere else. On 1st November a number of practical problems arise.

  1. At the border, entry to the UK becomes at the discretion of the Border Force officer. EU citizens with settled status have no official documentation (other than an e-mail) to confirm their status. EU citizens who have the right to apply for settled status until 2020, but who have yet to do so, have no official documentation at all to confirm this right. Any EU citizen can be turned away by the Border Force, with no reason given.

  2. The lack of official documentation presents problems in other situations where EU citizens will be required to prove their settled status (or their right to apply). Renting a property, accessing healthcare, accessing schooling for children, changing jobs - all require documentation that currently does not exist and for which there are no plans. Employers and landlords face large fines and imprisonment if they sign contracts with people who are not eligible. Patients risk being denied the healthcare and medicines that they are entitled to.

By contrast, UK citizens resident in a number of EU countries on 31st Oct. will be eligible to apply for legal confirmation of their status (e.g. in Austria they will receive an annual 'Red-White-Red Card' or a permanent residence card).

This all sounds like a deliberate policy to encourage EU citizens to leave the UK. Since they cannot be deported (although even that is not certain - see Windrush) by making it difficult for people to stay, the government can claim that these people are leaving of their own free will.

Mistigri · 20/08/2019 10:15

It's very unclear what this statement by Patel means, if anything (she is stupid and also a loose cannon, as her previous stint in government showed).

But there are legitimate fears about what this might mean that copy-pasting government flannel won't allay.

The main concern is that the hostile environment will be applied to EU citizens who are living here legitimately. There is no system in place to distinguish between the people who have been living in the UK before Brexit and someone who has arrived on 1 November unless they already have settled status (an estimated 2.6 million do not).

Some EU nationals have not applied for settled status because the digital application process is yet to be available on iPhones. Many people who need to apply for settled status do not even realise that they need to apply.

Mistigri · 20/08/2019 10:17

I don't think anything will change at the border on 1/11 though. Patel is just so thick that she does not really understand what happens at borders.

StockTakeFucks · 20/08/2019 10:22

This all sounds like a deliberate policy to encourage EU citizens to leave the UK. Since they cannot be deported (although even that is not certain - see Windrush) by making it difficult for people to stay, the government can claim that these people are leaving of their own free will.

YeH,well they'll have to drag me out kicking and screaming. My life is here. I am home. Fuck 'em.

raskolnikova · 20/08/2019 10:45

I don't understand why loss of freedoms is seen as something desirable/victorious.

I have a baby, who is a UK citizen, but born in Spain (but currently in the UK). I also have a cat who is currently being looked after back in Spain. It seems like the way things are going my cat is going to have more rights to live in Spain than my daughter.

ChlamydiaSoup · 20/08/2019 10:53

Shame this wasn’t from a more respected / credible politician.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/20/brexit-free-movement-cutoff-plans-worse-than-windrush-says-abbott?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Havanananana · 20/08/2019 12:06

Yeh ,well they'll have to drag me out kicking and screaming. My life is here. I am home. Fuck 'em.

Sadly a quick Google search will bring up numerous cases of the Border Force doing just that to the Windrush generation and others.

Nicolas Hatton, a co-founder of the 3Million group, said: “Ending freedom of movement without putting legal provisions in place for those EU citizens who have not yet successfully applied through the settlement scheme will mean that millions of lawful citizens will have their legal status removed overnight.”

jasjas1973 · 20/08/2019 13:05

So border force officials want to check the criminals records of EU citizens coming here for whatever reason... no-deal means we lose access to these EU digitised records BUT according to James Cleverly the EU would be mad to halt this access but he has had no assurance to this effect.

Considering the EU does not allow routine access to these DBs to any other 3rd country and it doesn't affect their security (as they can check anyone coming from UK at their end) What does Cleverly base his opinion on?

Does he also believe in UK exceptionalism or is he as stupid as Patel?

Mistigri · 20/08/2019 13:19

He's not as stupid as Patel, no.

(Low bar)

cherin · 20/08/2019 13:28

Not sure how trustworthy Twitter is, but hey:
twitter.com/NoraMulready/status/1163573762849046528
If it helps even one extra person to do the SS application before 31.10, I post it

ListeningQuietly · 20/08/2019 16:06

EU Lorry drivers are not "settled" in the UK
but if they collect a load in the UK to take back to the continent, surely they would need work permits
under our shiny new point immigration system
and will they be insured to drive on the UK roads

vice versa in the EU
non EU drivers coming in to the EU have to jump through hoops at present ....

Whoseagooddoggiethen · 20/08/2019 16:52

Im in Ireland and rarely drive to Northern Ireland but my insurance company already sent me out a greencard to enable me to drive insured there in the event of Brexshit happening. They are going out as standard here at the moment.

BackInTime · 20/08/2019 17:01

So given that they currently state that there will be no hard border in Ireland, how do they plan to police entry of EU citizens travelling from EU to Ireland and on to the UK? No personal experience of travel from NI to London but there is no passport control on entry at LGW for flights from ROI, it's straight through to baggage reclaim Hmm If this situation remains under the CTA then EU citizens can enter the UK via Ireland without going through border control.

ListeningQuietly · 20/08/2019 17:04

If this situation remains under the CTA then EU citizens can enter the UK via Ireland without going through border control.
Hence the need for the backstop.

The UK cannot take control of its borders
the EU cannot enforce its standards
without the backstop
or a finalised deal (which is YEARS away)

Whoseagooddoggiethen · 20/08/2019 17:19

All boils down to the one issue since day one. Britain voted on something thinking Ireland would roll over and allow it. We wont. The EU wont force it. Short of invading our country (Again!) to get your own way there is no full way of controlling things.

BackInTime · 20/08/2019 17:47

I agree, it's just not workable and certainly not by 1st of Nov. Given that up to now they have never really enforced the 3 month rule, do not register EU migrants as they arrive and have no way of knowing how long they have been in the UK. To get their act together to enforce anything like what they are proposing is going to take a lot more than a few months.

woman19 · 20/08/2019 17:58

Her proposals seem to be in direct breach of the ECHR.

There go our Human Rights.......

ChlamydiaSoup · 20/08/2019 18:28

One of my friends has just had her settled status application refused - she didn’t take out private medical insurance when she came here as a student 6 years ago, so they won’t include the 3 years she was at Uni as part of the 5 years needed for settled status. She’s getting pre settled status instead and has to wait another 2 years for settled status.

Havanananana · 20/08/2019 18:30

There go our Human Rights.......

Restricting the movement of EU citizens is just one half of the forthcoming measures.

Once the 'Brexitannia Unchained 'mob (Patel, Raab, Truss, Kwarteng) have taken control they can begin to put their manifesto into operation. As well as destroying all employee rights and abolishing the minimum wage, they want everyone to be fighting amongst themselves for a job, any job, for any wage. This is because in their view, British workers are lazy and unproductive when compared with workers in the sweatshops of the world with whom Britain will now try to compete.

Anyone who thinks that they can escape to Europe, the USA or Canada and use their qualifications there is in for a shock. Exit visas will be required - and won't be granted to anyone who has a student debt, or to anyone whose work is deemed to be of national importance - so no visas for doctors, scientists etc.

As for others who might want to escape abroad for a week or two on holiday, because of the Sterling crash and to prevent money being taken out of the country, a limit will be placed on the amount that UK citizens can take abroad - just as in the 1970's when the amount was £50 a year which had to pay for travel, food and accommodation. People won't be banned from going abroad - it will just be made very difficult to do so.

PostNotInHaste · 20/08/2019 19:00

With the having to send in your passport from other country I got round this last year by doing a paper application. I started an online application and it said I had to send in my German passport as I wasn’t prepared to do as hadn’t in the past and was unhappy to do so then.

Local post office had paper forms which did not ask if you have another nationality. Did the check and send thing as Post Office and it came back quickly without me having to submit my German one. Might be worth a look to see if still the same,

woman19 · 20/08/2019 19:14

People won't be banned from going abroad - it will just be made very difficult to do so

Like those ordinary citizens who were trapped in USSR Soviet Russia or North Korea now.

This wasn't on the bus as I recall, either.

BeardedMum · 20/08/2019 19:25

Some countries may be happy if less Brits come over to pike in the streets and wreck their towns🤷🏻‍♀️

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