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Plans to end freedom of movement on day after Brexit.

118 replies

DirtyToiletBrush · 18/08/2019 16:05

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-eu-brexit-freedom-of-movement-ends-november-boris-johnson-priti-patel-home-office-a9064376.html

How is this even workable?

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BeardedMum · 20/08/2019 19:25

Puke not pike

cherin · 20/08/2019 19:27

Oh-lalah, that’s an armageddon forecasting! It they do that, would it apply also the upper class? No more trips to Spain for the royals, no more bone-warming and Chardonnay for our MPs during recess?
Jokes aside....that sounds very Caracas and little Chelsea.
Where does the notion of exit fees com from? I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere..:

Songsofexperience · 20/08/2019 19:33

Exit visas will be required - and won't be granted to anyone who has a student debt, or to anyone whose work is deemed to be of national importance - so no visas for doctors, scientists etc.

I think to this day Russia enforces it for certain positions deemed to be sensitive (in tech and research)

Songsofexperience · 20/08/2019 19:35

If there is a severe NHS crisis with staff shortages I can imagine similar measures being implemented 'temporarily'

Ohflippineck · 20/08/2019 21:00

Myriade

And btw, imo, this is scarily similar to what happened in the 1930s.... I think people would do well to learn a bit more history and look at what is happening now”.

This opinion has been expressed over the various airwaves today by several commentators.
MIL is 86. She came to England in 1955 from Germany following one of those nasty, regular wars European nations tended to engage in prior to the formation of the fledgling EU. She married an Englishman (who sadly passed away many years ago). She brought up her 3 sons here, working and paying tax and national insurance all the while until retirement when she settled quietly in the home she bought and continued yes to support her village church and community in numerous ways.
She has been unwell for the past few years with strokes, heart problems and now early stage dementia. She has a German passport. They weren’t wealthy people, they generally only travelled to Germany for holidays. She meant to get around to dual citizenship but somehow just never did because the pressing need just didn’t arise. She has clearly been in no fit state to sort out SS for herself - she needs a clock with the day on the face as well as the time - but luckily has 3 sons looking out for her, one of whom is handling the paperwork. Hopefully all will be well. If it isn’t, she may be sent “back” to Germany, to a country where she hasn’t lived for 64 years or visited for 15.
I am very frightened indeed for the no doubt thousands of elderly foreign nationals in similar situations who have no one to advocate for them. Before the inevitable, well they should have applied for SS as soon as the result was in, please remember that most won’t even understand that there was a referendum, let alone what the potential consequences for them could be.
It’s an horrific, inhumane prospect. I don't understand how the Home Secretary and her colleagues sleep at night.
Oh, actually I do. They’re callous b**tards.

Socksontheradiator · 20/08/2019 21:08

@ohflippineck Sad

howrudeforme · 20/08/2019 21:16

This makes no sense to me. Initially, post Brexit, Eu nationals would have some time to apply for SS/pre SS. If they’re saying that with no deal, 1 November freedom of movement stops then surely that means all Eu residents here will have needed to have already processed SS, because landlords, employers etc will be expected to ensure their workers/tenants have the right to be here?

I’m deeply concerned.

Mistigri · 20/08/2019 21:30

Flippineck appalling way to treat British residents who have been part of our communities for more than half a century.

I'm in France and in a similar situation: DH seriously ill in hospital (has been hospitalised since April), needs to renew his resident's card and more urgently to renew his U.K. passport. I can't do either for him.

We don't know what our rights will be on 1/11 because the French no-deal législation has been drawn up to explicitly depend upon reciprocity.

Mistigri · 20/08/2019 21:32

One of my friends has just had her settled status application refused - she didn’t take out private medical insurance when she came here as a student 6 years ago, so they won’t include the 3 years she was at Uni as part of the 5 years needed for settled status. She’s getting pre settled status instead and has to wait another 2 years for settled status.

She needs to get advice and appeal this. Almost certainly a wrong decision. Pre-settled gives her many fewer rights.

woman19 · 20/08/2019 21:36

Flowers mistigri So sorry to hear that, very best wishes for a speedy recovery for your husband and best wishes to you and to flippingeck too.

Songsofexperience · 20/08/2019 21:37

Sorry about your DH mistigri 💐

ChlamydiaSoup · 20/08/2019 21:46

@Mistigri

She has spoken to someone. Apparently if an EU citizen comes here to study, rather than work, they are supposed to have private health insurance, as are stay at home parents and anyone else that isn’t paying NI. Apparently it’s the correct decision.

Mistigri · 20/08/2019 21:47

Thank you. I'm not especially worried about the impact of Brexit on us tbh - if it comes to it, I shall chuck this particular hot potato into the lap of the hospital social worker. My main concern at the moment is business travel in November, and how late to leave it before I cancel existing commitments.

Mistigri · 20/08/2019 21:50

@ChlamydiaSoup

From a blog by an immigration lawyer:

The Home Office said on 26 January that:
we will not require students and self-sufficient people living here to prove that they have held comprehensive sickness insurance when they apply for settled status in the UK. Students and self-sufficient people living here can still be granted settled status even if they have never held this.

www.freemovement.org.uk/comprehensive-sickness-insurance-what-is-it-and-who-needs-it/

ChlamydiaSoup · 20/08/2019 21:56

@Mistigri

Thanks, I’ll screen shot and send to her. She said she had spoken to someone in an advice centre when her ss was rejected - I’m not sure if she meant CAB.

FishCanFly · 21/08/2019 15:28

There is a special place in hell for Priti Shitty

Myriade · 21/08/2019 17:20

@ChlamydiaSoup I agree with Misti. The point is that you have to prove you have LIVED in the country for at least 5 years NOT that you have worked.

Your friend can ask the UKCE on Facebook. They are immigrations lawyers that are advising people on those matters since Brexit started.
www.facebook.com/groups/UKCEN/

Myriade · 21/08/2019 17:21

Btw, the UKCEN is free.

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