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Westminstenders: Charge!!!!

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RedToothBrush · 11/08/2019 16:15

Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

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RedToothBrush · 13/08/2019 09:01

Brilliant.

Registered to vote in July. Told we'd be automatically added in August.

Got a letter saying to register to vote two weeks ago.

Ignored it and binned it. As I thought on the register.

Now got an email telling me I haven't registered properly.

I sent them my passport details when I registered as they initially rejected my application to register at our new address.

I'm utterly furious and frustrated

I have no idea whether I'm on the role or not now.

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prettybird · 13/08/2019 09:01

....but conveniently doesn't mention that Congress has to approve any trade deal, the majority party of which has already stated that the GFA must not be compromised Hmm

prettybird · 13/08/2019 09:03

How frustrating Red Sad Is there a number you can call to check?

Dontlickthetrolley · 13/08/2019 09:11

Phone up the Local Democratic Services at your council Red they can give you an answer over the phone. (and you can talk to a real person!)

Peregrina · 13/08/2019 09:14

I have no idea whether I'm on the role or not now.

Make a fuss until it's sorted, which you will know when they can tell you your number on the register. My local council disenfranchised me when it put my DIL, who was living with us temporarily, with a very similar name on the register, assuming that it was me, changing a middle initial.

To be fair (ish) it wasn't entirely their fault, the application form could do with some revision, but the local electoral office appears to have a habit of disenfranchising first then sending an email and then rectifying it, instead of sending the email to check the details first. I duly wrote a polite but strongly worded letter to tell them that they were making work for themselves by doing it this way round, checking first would help them. However since they have now gone and disenfranchised DD who was living at home but has now gone abroad, I don't think they have taken the slightest bit of notice. It's now going to be quite difficult to get DD back onto the register in time for a snap election.

DGRossetti · 13/08/2019 09:18

Interesting that "Liz Truss" is an anagram of "Stilted cheese flinger"

Basilpots · 13/08/2019 09:20

Quick mooch at that ComRes poll it seems to be skewed towards the 65 plus Conservative voter.

TheElementsSong · 13/08/2019 09:21

Telegraph reporting taking the piss by ignoring “don’t knows” to present an apparent majority

Is anyone surprised by pro-Brexit lies anymore?

RHTawneyonabus · 13/08/2019 09:28

Did you register online and supply your NI number red? This is matched against DWP data and if you pass that check you’ll be automatically added to the register.

LouiseCollins28 · 13/08/2019 09:42

Aah John Bolton... one half of my personal favourite "Separated at birth" pairing ever. His "twin" IMO is Ned Flanders

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_Flanders

Diddly! Grin

Peregrina · 13/08/2019 09:43

The website version of the Electoral roll only gets updated every couple of months, or so. So you may be on the roll, but it doesn't yet show up. But advice to everyone - don't assume, Check. Similarly, if you want a proxy or postal vote, check and check again until you are satisfied.

Sarahlou63 · 13/08/2019 09:47

Interesting that "Liz Truss" is an anagram of "Stilted cheese flinger"

No it isn't. Confused

Frankiestein402 · 13/08/2019 09:59

This is something I have often wondered about not just about science but all sorts of other funding which is hidden and not an obvious grant or refund.

p7 of researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7886/CBP-7886.pdf
Puts direct spend by EU at 1-2 billion pa - doesn't directly quantify science - but those monies are over and above the rebate.

There's also spend on things like galileo and the agencies from which we benefit and will need to replace.

woman19 · 13/08/2019 10:00

@RighttoRemain
A quiet announcement on Sunday by Priti Patel, the new Home Secretary, that a stop and search pilot will be rolled out to all 43 police forces and the British Transport Police in England and Wales is cause for grave concern.

Important read from @La_Cowan

gal-dem.com/did-priti-patel-actually-stop-and-search-for-any-evidence-that-stop-and-search-is-a-good-idea/

We used to play bingo on this thread with the paid contributors.

Now we can play bingo with what was predicted more than 2 years ago.

This is looking like apartheid era pass laws.

To provoke you know what, to invoke you know what........

(I keep records of all correspondence with LA re electoral roll now red)

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2019 10:03

twitter.com/AlexandreKrausz/status/1160947525442056193
Hong Kong starting to look very pre-Tiananmen Square

Very troubling.

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RedToothBrush · 13/08/2019 10:03

Oh and Trump approved of Tiananmen

www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-tianamen-square-putin-220610

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woman19 · 13/08/2019 10:05

Yup, red Hong Kong looks bad. Which side is the british government on?

HesterThrale · 13/08/2019 10:11

Red that Select Committee report you posted where H Benn slams a no-deal exit. Hard to believe who some of the committee members are:
Jacob Rees-Mogg
Peter Bone
Christopher Chloe
Andrea Jenkyns
John Whittingdale etc etc.

So they know in full the damage of what they’re promoting. Pure negligence.

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmexeu/2560/2560.pdf

JustAnotherPoster00 · 13/08/2019 10:12

Just had a survey from the Labour party on my position on Leave/Remain and so I'm expecting more Brexit policy from them soon hopefully this is them going all out Remain it will be welcome to some of us albeit too late tbh

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2019 10:12

Raab got told to butt out by China in no uncertain terms two days ago.

So we are on Hong Kong's side. At the moment at least.

Won't do a lot for a UK-China Trade Deal. So a u-turn is always possible on that.

Might you, being alienated from China on trade would put us in line with current US policy on trading with China...

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DGRossetti · 13/08/2019 10:20

Interesting that "Liz Truss" is an anagram of "Stilted cheese flinger"

No it isn't.

Maybe if I'd written it on the side of a bus ?

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 13/08/2019 10:22

Aunt Olive
@HelpfulOlive
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Priti Patel has played a blinder. I think it’s marvellous that healthcare assistants, hospital porters, waiting staff, baristas, fruit pickers, hotel maids and catering staff will be on £36k.

Basilpots · 13/08/2019 10:23

Oh my Lord when you drill down into the details of that ComRes poll you can see exactly how the results happened taking away the don’t knows leaves a poll consisting of 1627 people who consist of......

41.4% of people over 55
86.6% live in England
41% intend to vote BXP or Conservative

No wonder they got the results they got.

Yet the Telegraph are claiming this is representative of the UK population. Really ????

JustAnotherPoster00 · 13/08/2019 10:24

Green party
If Caroline Lucas truly wants to stop a no-deal Brexit, she must work with Corbyn
Phil McDuff

As a Green party member I find this intransigence embarrassing. Remainers need Labour’s help ‘As a minor party it does the Greens more good to work with those who they agree broadly with than to seek out narrow alliances with people who will jettison them.’

I’m old enough to remember when “Caroline Lucas should lead a national unity government” was just another fringe idea found in the hinterlands of Twitter. Alas, a week is such a long time in politics that Caroline Lucas has managed to jump on the bandwagon herself. As a Green party member I find the whole thing intensely embarrassing. Yes, the party has its share of weirdos and cranks, just like every other party, but they have been on the right side of the most important political divides in our country for longer than Labour, and that’s no small thing.

Before 2015, the Greens were your only realistic choice if you wanted a wholeheartedly anti-austerity, anti-workfare party. Now that the Arctic is regularly catching fire it makes even more sense to support a party with environmental policy at its core. Unfortunately Brexit seems to have proven just as brain-meltingly toxic for the Greens as it has for every other party. Lucas, usually a canny parliamentary operator who can punch well above her weight, has inexplicably tied the party to an unworkable fantasy that only exists because hard remainers dislike Jeremy Corbyn more than they fear a no-deal Brexit. And that’s without even getting into the fact that her fantasy 10-woman cabinet did not include a single woman of colour.

No national unity gubbins can get past the fact that all roads to stopping Brexit run through a Labour government
It makes sense that centrists, having seen their ideology’s reputation tank with the public, have now decided that democracy is a luxury we can no longer afford. It’s a mistake, though, to see Brexit as being caused by too much democracy rather it should be seen as the result of the UK’s democratic deficit. This cannot be fixed by telling people to sit down and be quiet: proper accountability, not technocratic backroom deals, is what’s needed if parliament is to regain its legitimacy after this mess.

Ironically the argument “we just want to stop no deal” comes after the hard-remain faction’s longstanding accusal of Corbyn as being a crypto-leaver because Labour’s policies reflected a compromise between the party’s soft-leave and remain wings: exactly the alliance this temporary government is supposed to be unifying against the hardline no-dealers. It’s impossible to say what might have happened if this broad anti-no deal arrangement had been sought in 2016, or if certain factions hadn’t been so keen to use remain as an anti-Corbyn Trojan horse. Even now, despite the fact that they’re trying to implement what basically amounts to Labour party policy, they are still throwing a tantrum over involving the Labour leader.

Corbyn’s personal beliefs on Brexit are presented as the obstacle to working with him, but this contradicts the omnipresence of Yvette Cooper in every Stop Brexit fantasy proposal. Cooper’s position on Brexit is barely distinguishable from Corbyn’s: if anything, she is more hardline on some issues, like freedom of movement. It is difficult not to conclude that, even at the 11th hour, the problem is not Corbyn’s beliefs but a resistance to him as prime minister, whatever the circumstances.

That’s why it makes no sense for Lucas to get involved in these shenanigans. There is much more alignment between Green party policy and the direction of Labour under Corbyn than there would be if the centrists succeeded in wresting back control of the party. The Greens don’t need to wholeheartedly back Corbyn, and should still campaign against Labour where the parties are in disagreement. But they should recognise that as a minor party it does them much more good to work with those who agree broadly with their overall policy platform than to seek out narrow alliances with people who will jettison them as soon as they are no longer useful.

Lucas wrote: “Political tribalism would likely scupper any moves that are just about putting Jeremy Corbyn in charge” – but despite his unpopularity among “the sensibles”, Corbyn remains the leader of the opposition and commands sufficient support within his party to ensure any challenger is seen off. No national unity gubbins can get past the fact that all roads to stopping Brexit run through a Labour government. Whether you believe Corbyn is pro-Brexit or not, he is against no deal, unlike Johnson’s cabinet. Remainers seem to understand that it would be awful if the decision put before parliament – or put to the public in a second referendum – was “Johnson’s deal v no deal”, but would seemingly rather try anything before making the choice of “Corbyn’s deal v remain”.

If it is so important that no deal is prevented at all costs, if this is not just all political posturing, then the “no Corbyns” sign has to come down off the treehouse.

• Phil McDuff writes on economics and social policy