Please can someone tell me the upsides of Brexit

[CleopatrasMum]

Apparently Dominic Raab has said there are many upsides of Brexit. The article in the Guardian that I read this in gave no details of what Raab (presumably) went on to say those upsides were.

Please can someone explain them to me?

Link to article here for what it's worth:

Raab says Brexit will bring 'huge series of upsides' for UK trade

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/06/raab-says-brexit-will-bring-huge-series-of-upsides-for-uk-trade?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

PS source is a parliamentary briefing from July 2019.

There is nothing in A50 that prevents any country leaving

Correct. Also correct to say that Article 50 does make reference to GFA as GFA is not written into EU Law. However, any EU member that has a border with a third country must apply EU border controls. Failure to do so could result in the offending member state being removed from the European single market.

This where ROI gets into a pickle. As an EU member it must respect EU law, but border control, as required by EU law, goes against GFA.

What type of border can be developed by ROI that satisfies both EU and GFA remains to be seen. However, it will need to be sufficiently robust to prevent cheap imports arriving in NI under WTO and finding their way into ROI undetected. Once in ROI such goods could end up almost anywhere in EU.

At same time border would have to sufficiently relaxed so the GFA requirements that ROI has committed to are maintained.

A hard one for ROI to solve. On the upside it may accelerate the reunification of the Island of Ireland. Might piss of the DUP, but according to some posters it is all their fault anyway?

Remaining in the CU and SM do that

That is same as remaining in the EU. 17.4 million voted leave, not remain.

If trade with the EU wasn't so important and dwindling, then a Govt made up of leave.eu would not be spending billions on brexit preparations and markets wouldn't be selling off the pound.

Your rational is flawed.

The EU share of the UK's trade has risen since 2015

Look at the chart again. It shows that since 1999 to 2017 the UK has bought more from the EU than EU has bought from the UK. So there is a trade deficit that has lasted 18 years.

If trade with the EU wasn't so important and dwindling, then a Govt made up of leave.eu would not be spending billions on brexit preparations and markets wouldn't be selling off the pound

The money is being spent for a No Deal Brexit as opposed to the originally planned orderly Brexit.

Weaker currency is not always bad. Makes imports more expensive and exports cheaper which may help to reduce the current trade deficit that UK has with EU as demonstrated by Mistigri chart.

So there is a trade deficit that has lasted 18 years.

Yes. But that is not what you or your previous graph claimed. And now, having been called out for using statistics in a dishonest way, you are changing the subject.

Weaker currency is not always bad. Makes imports more expensive and exports cheaper which may help to reduce the current trade deficit that UK has with EU as demonstrated by Mistigri chart

Yet has made little difference to exports since the pound went from around 1.35 to 1.10 after the referendum, 3 years ago, now lower still, same with US$

Has caused fuel and food inflation though.

Why exactly should uk people be priced out of foreign holidays? 40 million trips made annually. 20 million are foreign holidays, most to europe.
Or in your new utopia, we are forced to go to a rainy and packed Cornwall?

And now, having been called out for using statistics in a dishonest way, you are changing the subject

That appears to what all the new pro brexit posters do, followed by vanishing into thin air before reappearing under a new name lol!

No. The withdrawal agreement has good faith and independant
arbitration clauses

Correct, but demonstrating bad faith is difficult. Under the present WA the backstop would be in place until a permanent solution is found. However, there is no time limit to find a permanent solution.

Likewise could review each and every proposal put forward in good faith, but continually reject on technical grounds. Let's not forget that so far nobody has been able to describe a technological solution. Some say that complete friction free passage of goods is not possible. Particularly for food products. So perfectly possible for the UK to be locked into EU forever.

Backstop is all about EU not wanting to be forced to follow their own border controls between ROI and NI.

Even Varadkar has recently been quoted as saying some form of checks will be necessary at the border in the event of a no deal to maintain the European single market.

Correct, but demonstrating bad faith is difficult.

But the Johnson Government and his unelected advisor are having a bl**dy good try.

Let's not forget that so far nobody has been able to describe a technological solution

Rubbish according to the PM, there is a technical solution. But do be careful NameChanger1234 - you are straying into Remainer territory with your 'arguments'.

But that is not what you or your previous graph claimed

Previous graph had the caption

Trade with EU is not the big deal for UK that it once was

Your chart also shows that UK imports more from EU than EU imports from UK. How is that not a deficit to the UK? If you need exact figures the 2018 numbers are

Exports to UK 289 Billion

Imports from EU 345 Billion

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851

Rubbish according to the PM, there is a technical solution

If so why does PM want to remove the Backstop from the WA? Not necessary to do so if a technical solution exists.

If memory serves Mistigri (a remain supporter I think) made a similar comment some time ago on another thread?

If so why does PM want to remove the Backstop from the WA? Not necessary to do so if a technical solution exists.

Write and ask him. This is the sort of argument that Remainers have put to him. His answer is usually piffle, piffle waffle.

Why exactly should uk people be priced out of foreign holidays

Oh dear what a hardship not being able to have a foreign holiday. UK has an estimated 14 million living in poverty. Almost 1 in 5. A staggering figure for a Country that is supposed to be fifth richest in the World.

Cost of; food clothing and footwear is forecast to reduce significantly under a no deal brexit as access to cheaper alternatives is possible as EU regulations which protect high prices are side stepped. That is a big help for the worst off in the UK.

Write and ask him. This is the sort of argument that Remainers have put to him. His answer is usually piffle, piffle waffle

Contradictory. Why would PM want to force a no deal if a technical solution exists? Such a solution could be patented and sold around the World as it could remove every border on the planet.

Exports to UK 289 Billion

Imports from EU 345 Billion

I assume you mean Exports to EU....

Presumably we need this stuff? we don't have the means to make or grow.... what's your point?

Hi Nosy this thread is about upsides to Brexit are you saying you feel that a reduction in imports from the EU would be a benefit?

Why does Borish Johnson do anything? Because he wants to say, "Look at me, mine is the biggest willy."
Yes chum we know that, from reports about you not being able to keep it in your trousers.

I assume you mean Exports to EU....

Correct

Presumably we need this stuff? we don't have the means to make or grow.... what's your point?

Main imports from the EU are

17.4%www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3660513-Please-can-someone-tell-me-the-upsides-of-Brexit?pg=21#

Presumably we need this stuff? we don't have the means to make or grow.... what's your point?

Sadly most of what UK imports from the EU is what UK used to make.

Biggest import from EU is vehicles. A staggering 46 Billion.

Point is single market favours manufactured goods more than services. Great if a big chunk of economy is manufacturing. UK is 80% services.

I see the totally outdated graph is getting another airing. That extrapolated trend is incorrect. EU share of UK's exports has risen since 2015 not fallen.

Nosy there is discussion on another thread about how the cost increases and difficulty with sourcing products effects services. The two are interlinked I had to wait an extra day to collect my car from the bodyshop because they had to make sure the insurance company (service) would pay the extra costs of the parts (product) which occurred due to the weak pound.

Products often become or enable the facilitation of a service.

Forecast that food and clothing costs will reduce after Brexit, so help the lower income...

really? 1. Pound falls so buys less. 2. We import A LOT of our food from EU. WTO tariffs will make cost much more. For everything.

Can you quote the forecasts from reputable economists that costs wil lfall post-Brexit?

I see the totally outdated graph is getting another airing. That extrapolated trend is incorrect. EU share of UK's exports has risen since 2015 not fallen

Chart on the right is the one that explained what UK's main imports from the EU in reply to another poster

Point is single market favours manufactured goods more than services. Great if a big chunk of economy is manufacturing. UK is 80% services

Decline in manufacturing and heavy industry is common across all of the western world, even in Germany services make up 70% of GDP.

Services encompass everything from food and financial to tourism and everything in between.

EU membership benefits services too, so leaving this to try and make FTA's on manufacturing and goods only is stupid.