Please can someone tell me the upsides of Brexit

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Apparently Dominic Raab has said there are many upsides of Brexit. The article in the Guardian that I read this in gave no details of what Raab (presumably) went on to say those upsides were.

Please can someone explain them to me?

Link to article here for what it's worth:

Raab says Brexit will bring 'huge series of upsides' for UK trade

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/06/raab-says-brexit-will-bring-huge-series-of-upsides-for-uk-trade?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Have you any fucking idea how delicately drafted the GFA was?

@bellinisurge - Have you any fucking idea how delicately drafted the GFA was?

Doesn't matter. It's inconvenient now so should be discarded.

"So who is preventing it from happening and why"
If you are a No Dealer - YOU are!

I am not a no dealer, but would not agree to the WA as presently drafted. Too easy for EU to lock UK into EU forever. The legal advice was clear. Nothing to prevent from objecting to all proposals made by UK for border, no time limit on backstop and no mechanism for UK to withdraw even if both parties agree to disagree after many decades or even centuries have passed.

To hold the GFA as some sort of Brexit 'hostage' is just a way of looking to make an orderly Brexit difficult

Have sympathy for those in the Island of Ireland whose daily lives rely on easy crossing between NI and ROI, but all the remain supporters who have never been to, or lived in, the Island of Ireland use GFA as a way of trying to thwart the result of the 2016 referendum.

Couldn't give a fuck what Johnson says, he's a disgrace

Haha. Had to laugh at that. I am not convinced about him either. However, being unelected, educated at Eton and Oxford seems to be the main criteria for becoming UK Prime Minister

They are standing behind a member who is insisting that another country complies with an international peace treaty that both countries signed

For whose benefit, ROI as a member or for Brussels not to be forced into install a border between NI and ROI? Remember the EU regulations are clear about borders between EU and Non EU countries.

EU was formed in late 1940s. ROI joined in early 1970s long before GFA was agreed. So the argument could be if there is a conflict between EU rules and GFA rules then EU would prevail?

Sometimes wonder if that is the game of chicken Johnson is playing? Partly supported by Trump who seems to favour UK leaving without a deal.

Not entirely sure it matters what Trump says he supports , there is a whole lot of government in the USA who are rather keen on no-one messing with the GFA.

EU was formed in late 1940s.

Hogwash. Read a basic history book.

So let’s try May 1950? UK and ROI joined in 1973. Twist it any which way you like, EU has been around a lot longer than GFA.

If DUP get their way and block an NI only backstop and force a No Deal then EU will have to install a border between ROI and NI

I also thought the beginnings of the EU started after the end of WW2 ( late 1940’s)
Obviously it wasn’t the EU that we know today, but it started after the war, that’s what I always thought anyway.

France 🇫🇷 and Germany 🇩🇪 were the pioneers after World War 2. Logic was to trade among themselves what each had and needed rather than go to war. Sensible choice.

You clearly haven't read that basic history book yet.

Start with the European Coal and Steel community, then look up the treaty of Rome.

The EU came into being with the Maastricht Treaty in February 1992 and the Good Friday Agreement, as it's commonly known, came into being at Easter 1998. Whether that is 'a lot longer' must depend on your timescale.

The RoI and the UK both went into the EEC at the same time because they realised it was sensible to do so. Now the UK has decided that it no longer wants to be sensible.

@NosyBe2006 - For whose benefit, ROI as a member or for Brussels not to be forced into install a border between NI and ROI?

Ireland has been very clear since the referendum on our position on the GFA. The EU is supporting our position. Very simple.

Remember the EU regulations are clear about borders between EU and Non EU countries.

WTO is also very clear. While there is no requirement for border controls, all countries must be treated the same. If the UK don't have border controls with Ireland, then they must do the same for everyone else. Taking back control of your borders? Hmm.

Have sympathy for those in the Island of Ireland whose daily lives rely on easy crossing between NI and ROI,

The GFA is a lot more than individual border crossing. There are a wide variety of all Ireland programmes (health, security, agriculture etc) all is which are threatened by a no deal brexit.

, "EU has been around a lot longer than GFA."
Are you being deliberately dim? Or do you only get patchy news in the non- EU country you live in?

You clearly haven't read that basic history book yet

Call it EU, EEC or whatever else it makes no difference. The underlying principle of different countries trading among themselves is the same. That the name has changed over time is irrelevant. Businesses change their names, but does not mean they only existed from the date of the most recent name.

I wonder what the UN security council has to say on deliberately and arbitrarily dismantling an international peace treaty.

Apparently one of the tools they have to prevent it are trade embargoes and sanctions against the nation who disrupts peace.

I'm stunned nobody in power considered that.

There are very clear, very strongly worded statements from the UN within their charter about peace being disrupted by politics.

How are those trade deals looking now eh?

The EU is supporting our position. Very simple

Because they are afraid to be seen installing a border.

If the UK don't have border controls with Ireland, then they must do the same for everyone else

True, but if EU, as required by their rules, installs a border anyway what difference does it make if UK install a further border? Sounds like there could be two borders with a no mans lands in between. Have seen that in other EU and Non EU Countries frontiers.

There are a wide variety of all Ireland programmes (health, security, agriculture etc) all is which are threatened by a no deal Brexit

Which is to the detriment of both NI and ROI, but DUP don’t seem to see it that way?

Because they are afraid to be seen installing a border.

No, because they are protecting the interests of Ireland, as a member state from being trampled on by the UK.

Which is to the detriment of both NI and ROI, but DUP don’t seem to see it that way?

Ireland really isn't high up on the DUPs agenda, neither is rationality or decency.

@NosyBe2006 - Because they are afraid to be seen installing a border.

You're getting beyond ridiculous now.

True, but if EU, as required by their rules, installs a border anyway what difference does it make if UK install a further border?

The UK are creating conditions that force a border. Hence, they are the ones breaking the GFA. Who puts up the border us irrelevant. The UK have a responsibility under the GFA to ensure the border is kept open (and yes, I know the border isn't explicitly mentioned in the GFA).

Which is to the detriment of both NI and ROI, but DUP don’t seem to see it that way?

Are you really so poorly informed that you don't know why this is the case? Maybe go and educate yourself before you start spouting nonsense about things you don't understand.

Gordon Brown has written an excellent piece in The Observer re the consequences of a no deal Brexit.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/10/very-idea-of-a-united-kingdom-being-torn-apart-by-toxic-nationalism

Is that the same Gordon Brown who sold UK gold at a loss of 5 billion

5 billion is chicken feed to this current government which seems to be in possession of a magic money tree.

You really are inept when it comes to politics and the economy Nosy

5 billion is chicken feed to this current government which seems to be in possession of a magic money tree

Agree with that. Point was that Gordon Browns past record does not inspire confidence. He too was not elected if I remember?

The current government has managed to pull more than £5 billion out of its arse to fund brexit and the chaos that comes with it.

But couldn't find it to build social housing, or negate the need for foodbanks, or for the emergency services, education or the NHS.

Point was that Gordon Browns past record does not inspire confidence. He too was not elected if I remember?

What does that have to do with brexit?