No deal Brexit - more prepared than we think?

[elprup]

I posted a thread on here recently about being terrified of a no deal Brexit. Since then I’ve felt a little bit reassured after reading this article about how Britain is preparing/prepared for a no deal. Sorry in advance for the Daily Mail link!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7318477/So-does-No-Deal-Brexit-really-mean.html

It does sound like we’re more together than I’d thought (although I may just be wishful thinking, hopelessly naive, clutching at straws or all of the above!)

What are people’s thoughts?

[jasjas1973]

The problem lies with the politicians whose delay and chaotic management of the process has sapped confidence, the problem is not brexit itself

Correct. The result of the referendum in 2016 is not the problem. It is MPs who think the result of the referendum can be ignored as it does not fit with their own personal goals

Of course the brexit vote (an advisory one, DC had no right to say it would be honoured) is the problem, without it, the Govt wouldn't be setting up a rescue fund to bailout businesses that go bust after 31/10. Or purchasing £500m worth of lamb!
How much money is going to be spent and where is it coming from?

None of this was mentioned by the leave campaign was it?

The only MPs following their own interests seem to be the no-dealer brexitiers, intent on ruining the nation for personal gain and power.

[bellinisurge]

If a toddler wants a unicorn for Christmas and daddy can't deliver one despite saying it was the easiest thing to get in the world, the toddler needs to learn an important life lesson and daddy needs to be realistic in his promises.
Or blame mummy. Wonder which is the better option.

[Mamamia456]

Of course it wasn't mentioned, you can't mention something that's going to happen in the future unless you have a crystal ball!

If after the referendum they had set up something like a Brexit committee whose job it was to get us the best deal possible, we wouldn't be in this mess now. Instead for the past three years all we have had are politicians just trying to score political points against each other and trying to further their own careers.

[TheElementsSong]

CRYSTAL BALL:
(1) A Heisenberg quantum device permitting Leavers to accurately predict that “it” will be “FIIIIIINNNEE” after a “short term” of “some adjustment” but which, when asked for measurements of “fine/short/some” ceases to exist.
(2) A device that Remainers definitely don’t have, which is why they PANIC (see above) and CAUSE (see above) SHORTAGES (see above) without any evidence for their actions.

[Mamamia456]

What's that got to do with what Jasjas1973 was saying.

[Mamamia456]

Point 2 doesn't even make sense.

[bellinisurge]

@Mamamia456 , @TheElementsSong has produced a fine dictionary of which that was just a snapshot. It makes perfect sense in a miasma of nonsense.

[NosyBe2006]

Instead for the past three years all we have had are politicians just trying to score political points against each other and trying to further their own careers

Correct.

[NosyBe2006]

If a toddler wants a unicorn for Christmas and daddy can't deliver one despite saying it was the easiest thing to get in the world, the toddler needs to learn an important life lesson and daddy needs to be realistic in his promises

So a person who loses their job, defaults on their mortgage and is repossessed was at fault because they promised the lenders they could pay

Mortgages are typically 25 years. Anything can happen in that time.

[NosyBe2006]

Yes Jobs/Mortgages/houses/unforeseen circumstances all exist.... but Unicorns don’t

Did leave campaign promise the arrival of unicorns? I don’t remember that. However, prepared to be proved wrong?

[noblegiraffe]

£350 million a week for the NHS?

[Jason118]

Easiest trade deals in history?

[NosyBe2006]

£350 million a week for the NHS?

That is not possible as net amount paid to EU is a lot less after the rebate. However, not a lot of point going on about it as demonstrated by the failed court case against Boris Johnson.

[noblegiraffe]

That is not possible

So it’s a unicorn, yes? And yet on the side of a Leave campaign bus?

[NosyBe2006]

And yet on the side of a Leave campaign bus?

Leavers I know weren’t swayed by the bus. EU control and immigration are the reasons I hear most for the vote to leave EU

[AuldAlliance]

That is not possible as net amount paid to EU is a lot less after the rebate. However, not a lot of point going on about it as demonstrated by the failed court case against Boris Johnson.

It's a lie.
That is why people are "going on about it", as you put it. There is, in fact, every reason to "go on about" the fact that people were peddled lies to encourage them to vote in a specific way in a hugely significant referendum. A way that will cause misery for many and has already led to increased tensions in NI. The fact that the court case was dismissed doesn't alter the fact that it was a blatant lie and those who spread it knew that.

[NosyBe2006]

Why exactly people voted leave can never be known unless they all (17.4 million) go public and give their reasons. Never going to happen.

I would say immigration was a much greater factor followed by those in Brussels not being elected. Jumping on the £350 Million on the red bus was a way by remain supporters trying to force another referendum. That’s not going to happen either as MPs have voted it down.

[noblegiraffe]

Did leave campaign promise the arrival of unicorns? I don’t remember that. However, prepared to be proved wrong?

So you now admit that the Leave Campaign did promise the arrival of unicorns?

[AuldAlliance]

those in Brussels not being elected

Irony is alive and well in a country with FPTP, one of the most unrepresentative electoral systems going.
A country that now has a PM chosen by 0.13% of the population.

[cherin]

Not to mention that U.K. reps to Bruxelles are elected, it’s the electorate fault if they don’t bother turning up at the polling stations for EU elections....
There’s no winning with some people. First you moan that the EU organisations are undemocratic and not elected. Then you’re given the chance to vote and moan because you can’t be bother doing it.
Seriously

[bellinisurge]

@NosyBe2006 are Leavers prepared to accept an NI only backstop. Agree to it now and we get an orderly Brexit on 31 October.
Are you prepared to accept it.

[twofingerstoEverything]

Nosy
Leavers I know weren’t swayed by the bus. EU control and immigration are the reasons I hear most for the vote to leave EU

but some Leavers were very clearly 'swayed by the bus' and no doubt many of the other lies.

and lies like Turkey joining the EU.
Why would the Leave campaign spend so much money promoting falsehoods if not to 'sway' people?

[twofingerstoEverything]

Nosy
I would say immigration was a much greater factor
Yep. And there were plenty of lies told about that too. See my post above.

[NosyBe2006]

So you now admit that the Leave Campaign did promise the arrival of unicorns?

No. Unless someone can produce a quote or a link that refers to Unicorns. I remember leave campaign was based on:

Sovereignty
Freedom from EU control
Reduced immigration

If your definition of unicorns is when what was said by MPs does not happen then they are all unicorns. How many times has a manifesto pledge become a reality. Johnson already talking about tax cuts for those who earn more than £50K which is well above the average salary