No deal Brexit - more prepared than we think?

[elprup]

I posted a thread on here recently about being terrified of a no deal Brexit. Since then I’ve felt a little bit reassured after reading this article about how Britain is preparing/prepared for a no deal. Sorry in advance for the Daily Mail link!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7318477/So-does-No-Deal-Brexit-really-mean.html

It does sound like we’re more together than I’d thought (although I may just be wishful thinking, hopelessly naive, clutching at straws or all of the above!)

What are people’s thoughts?

[Peregrina]

I can't bear to watch the Which NHS will you vote for Ad again.
Of course what they didn't say, is that you will need good private insurance to avail yourself of this.

[NosyBe2006]

are Leavers prepared to accept an NI only backstop. Agree to it now and we get an orderly Brexit on 31 October. Are you prepared to accept it

As an individual it seems a reasonable way to break the deadlock between EU border requirements and GFA which don’t align. But how does that look for the EU if they start making exceptions?

Can you see Nicola Sturgeon and other SNP accepting that NI received preferential treatment?

[NosyBe2006]

And there were plenty of lies told about that too. See my post above

I remember the tabloids making a lot more comments about immigration than the red bus

[Peregrina]

I hate to bother to answer Nosy's posts, but an NI only backstop was the original proposal. May had it extended to appease the DUP.

Do keep up there NosyBe2006

[noblegiraffe]

If your definition of unicorns is when what was said by MPs does not happen then they are all unicorns.

No, it’s not. Something that sounds wonderful that is actually impossible is generally what is meant by ‘unicorn’. Like £350 million a week being diverted from the EU to the NHS.

A tax cut for the rich is not a unicorn. Lifting the ban on fox hunting is not a unicorn. Because they’re not magical.

[NosyBe2006]

A tax cut for the rich is not a unicorn. Lifting the ban on fox hunting is not a unicorn. Because they’re not magical

For the rich that enjoy fox hunting it is likely very magical for them as it a double gain.

I disagree with fox hunting, badger baiting, cock fighting, pit bull fighting, etc.

[NosyBe2006]

May had it extended to appease the DUP

So the DUP wish could result in a no deal and a border between ROI and NI? And yet many on here saying that a no deal is down to Westminster! Thought DUP were a support role as opposed to decision makers? Maybe they have promised to return the £1.5 billion bung they received?

[noblegiraffe]

Nosy Lifting the ban on fox hunting is not ‘wonderful but actually impossible’ so it’s not a unicorn.

Your inability to understand the use of the word ‘unicorn’ doesn’t bode well for more difficult concepts.

[bellinisurge]

@NosyBe2006 for fuck's sake, the NI situation different to Scotland. Scotland can make its own arguments to leave the UK if it wants. It doesn't need to argue parity with NI. It is not a conquered nation and can simply withdraw its consent to the Union if that's what the majority in Scotland want.

[NosyBe2006]

Many magical, but at the time perceived to be impossible events occurred in the previous century (20th).

Space travel
Colour TV
Computers
Mobile phones
Internet
Commercial air travel

Many more could be added.

Anyone who lived in the 19th who suggested such events would happen in the future would have likely be considered to be insane. However, through determination and boldness the World became more advanced.

[NosyBe2006]

the NI situation different to Scotland

Well the DUP obviously don’t agree with that opinion. And if the backstop was changed by T May on the say so of 10 DUP they must have massive influence?

[Peregrina]

Many magical, but at the time perceived to be impossible events occurred in the previous century (20th).

Good Friday Agreement. Oh but wait, the UK wants to rip that up.

[bellinisurge]

But, silly @NosyBe2006 the DUP just want to destroy GFA. They hate it. They don't want to leave the Union. In fact, they want the Union to roll back civil rights. They already don't allow abortion under any circumstances or equal marriage.

[noblegiraffe]

That is not possible as net amount paid to EU is a lot less after the rebate.

Were your words to describe the £350 million bus pledge, Nosy

Not. Possible.

Think you are on the wind up now, because no one is really that thick as to genuinely compare the bus pledge with space travel.

[Cailleach1]

I understand when Scots say NI no different. If another part of the UK get something, why don't we? However, Scotland don't have an essentially non British identity. Don't have roughly half a population who aren't British and never see themselves as British. Part of a separate island which have a (for now) declared right to leave the UK if the majority of the people vote for that.

Even running a horse and coach through the GFA doesn't change that. The tragic thing is that the GFA allowed everyone to chill in the knowledge their identity wasn't being trod on or denied. It soothed things which may become inflamed again.

[NosyBe2006]

Not. Possible

Not magical either as many remain supporters point out it is 0.7% of GDP. So if part of the the definition of Unicorn is magical then the 350 million on the red bus was not a unicorn?

[noblegiraffe]

Boris is currently banging on about an extra billion for the NHS. How many weeks of £350 million does that represent?

[NosyBe2006]

After rebate about 4 weeks.

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

I though the extra billion wasn’t an extra billion, so it might actually be a lot less than 4 weeks.

[MyOtherProfile]

Yes it's an already promised billion isn't it?

[prettybird]

Worse than that: it was money that the hospitals had carefully saved by making cutbacks, as they'd been promised that they could use any savings they made on necessary and in many cases long overdue capital projects. This commitment was then withdrawn, so the money was sitting in bank accounts not being allowed to be spent.

So all that BlowJobhas done is said that the Hospital Trusts are now going to be allowed to spend their own money

The proof of the pudding will be whether Scotland, Wales and NI get any extra money. If it is genuinely "new" money, then the Barnet Consequentials will kick in. Methinks that the Scottish and Welsh Governments and NI Civil Servants (given that there isn't a sitting government in NI ) won't be making plans quite yet......

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

I don’t think it’s the money they saved. Trusts that were running a surplus were given extra money to spend on capital projects but were then told they couldn’t spend it.

Where they’re going to find the money to run these shiny new buildings is a bit of a mystery tbh.