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Westminstenders: Promises, promises

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RedToothBrush · 05/08/2019 23:26

Today polling showed that there was a majority in Scotland who support Independence. The 'Boris Bounce' really isn't universal. And this is a firm sign all is not well.

There is talk tonight that Johnson is planning to stay on as PM even if he loses a vote of no confidence in order to force No Deal through and prevent a government of national unity. Instead he would call a 'people v politicians' general election to be held shortly after we'd left the EU.

Johnson's willingness to defy parliament should not be discounted and should be taken seriously. Its highly likely in one way or another. No deal is technically illegal, but its also the default. This does not seem to be fully recognised by remainers. But this is a man who lied and continued to lie. And there is every sign that he would be willing to cause some sort of constitutional crisis. Especially if he really is like Trump. This is what authoritarians do - defy convention and rip up the rule book - because the powers that are suppose to hold them to account are too weak to hold them to account. Something that Johnson has already proved time and again. He has no respect for others.

All the signs are Johnson is in fully into campaigning for a GE already. He's touring the country and ignoring Europe. He's offering money for the NHS - its open to debate whether this is new money - the optics on this are all down to what you want to believe. Those who want Johnson will believe the promise; those who don't won't.

The penny hasn't fully dropped in parliament. There is talk of a vote of no confidence being called by Labour 'at the earliest opportunity' in September. The reality is its too little too late and is unlikely to work to have the desired effect and inside will play right into Johnson's plan. The failure of the Opposition to spot what he was likely to do, has been the story of the last 3 years, where Remainers have been reactionary and unable to anticipate what would happen next. Their lack of imagination and inability to look beyond their own rhetoric has been their undoing and may cost us all in the long run.

Meanwhile in Brussels, the EU unlike our Parliament have recognised the inevitability of no deal and if Johnson wants no deal there is no way to stop it. And that he has no inclination whatsoever to negotiate.

The expectation is still that the EU will have the backstop and the Brexit Bill of £39 billion as the requirement for the opening of trade talks if we no deal.

Which leaves up shit creek.

At the same time the new trade minister Liz Truss is full on libertarian and talking to the US with this in mind.

That would mean a bonfire of rights and standards which will horrify many. That means goodbye to workers rights, food standards and data protection.

The tech giants have the ears of Washington so British ideas of a tax on them are being seen as a block on a US trade deal.

It comes as the UK has joined a US coalition to protect ships in the Gulf - something we were originally given a snub against, and led to Jeremy Hunt saying we would join a European led force. Its not clear what, who or how the US uturn has come about...

Meanwhile our summer holidays are all getting more expensive... and this is just the start of it.

This is real. This isn't a bluff.

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TheElementsSong · 08/08/2019 18:31

So sorry for your scary experience Stripey - I hope you’re feeling ok now.

Rhubarbisevil · 08/08/2019 18:31

stripey you poor thing. I hope you are feeling less shaken now. I encountered Farage’s Brexit Bus and minions when his 100 mile wankers sorry WALKERS came to my village for a beer break. They were rude, aggressive, hostile and the mood was ugly. Not much scares me (I have lived in a developing country under police curfew because of rioting) but these people made me very frightened. And these are the people who Boris is pandering too Sad

Well, I want MY country back 😢

Hazardtired · 08/08/2019 18:33

stripey your not whinging! And it's important things like this get noted.

Lisette1940 · 08/08/2019 18:36

stripey - big unmumsnetty hug for you.

woman19 · 08/08/2019 18:39

In fact those right wing thugs attacked an ambulance worker on Saturday in Whitehall. The met were ostensibly trying to ID his attacker on SM over the weekend.

it's important things like this get noted
Absolutely.
This is not normal.

StripeyChina · 08/08/2019 18:46

Rhubarb

That's my feeling too - I want 'my Country' back. I'm not articulate, but:

A welcoming, articulate, expert-respecting, outward-looking, decent place, with a sense of fair play and the chance to improve your life through honest hard work, with a safety net if you temporarily can't.
Maybe it was never really 'there', and I am well aware that the UK has some dodgy history and has not always behaved well, but it was something to aim for. Politeness, common sense, manners, all the silly British things that get ridiculed, but were part of a way of life that took consideration for others into account. Meant it was important.

Now it seems that people in charge and the ones getting the headlines dont want to aim for anything like that.
It's not the decline in manners, the being jostled, 'silly' stuff like that - it's the fear that we are being led by vultures, and rounded up by dogs. Our rights are being stripped away, from voting, to the NHS to education, workers rights, women's rights. By the far right. It's scary.

StripeyChina · 08/08/2019 18:55

Thanks for the unMNetty hugs btw.
(I wanted to see a Westminstender so much!)

OMG - Woman I did see what looked like a paramedic getting laid into!!! I didnt take any film as wrestling with crutches makes it hard.
I also saw a copper being kicked in the head. It was VERY violent, where I was (outside The Lord Moon of the Mall pub) They had horses and dogs but the thugs blood lust was totally up - was horrible to see.
Anyways, sorry to derail a bit, but yes it does need noting as its far worse than anything I've seen over a number of years :(

Hoooo · 08/08/2019 19:03

Haven't told dh - or anyone else for that matter! - but I've sorted "oh fuck rucksacks" for me and the kids.

Got our EU passports, medications, a pre paid debit card with euros on.

Luckily, have got 2 options of EU countires to go to.

LonelyTiredandLow · 08/08/2019 19:56

Stripey that sounds horrible, so sorry you got stuck in it. What message are we sending to tourists with this rabble?

I can only guess what is being shared on SM while BoZo says he wants to attract the top scientists - despite dwindling applications to UK without any explained form of funding. It also completely ignores the fact EMA, Horizon, etc were about collaborative working which was why they were so successful.

LonelyTiredandLow · 08/08/2019 20:00

Oh yes, and BoZo has refused to rule out a GE shortly after No Deal You can call me Septic Peg Wink

Peregrina · 08/08/2019 20:05

I had to laugh - the Rail Delivery Group said, "we didn't want to leave". That wasn't their story yesterday. They were having a strop because they thought their British ticket was better.

The comments on twitter are very funny - but obviously posted by Remainers.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/08/2019 20:14

StripyChina Thanks
How horrible and scary for you
Those fascist thugs Angry

The contrast between peaceful singing of "Ode to Joy" in Berlin and "Fuck off C@@@" in London Sad

Whatever people are protesting about, they shouldn't get aggressive towards ordinary passers-by
and especially everyone should be considerate towards the obviously disabled

I hope you've been able to unwind now you are safely home, some calming music and a hot drink
(Maybe you can download "Ode to Joy" Grin - it's #1 in my playlist)

Icantreachthepretzels · 08/08/2019 20:32

the sheer amount of Police (there were hundreds, plus I counted over 20 vans, then cars )

The people in charge of the police's purse strings (and the bobby's on the street) can't be oblivious to the difference in the amount of resources it takes to deal with a small group of right wing thugs and one million remainers marching peacefully. Or how different the mood is - or how much danger the different protests put the police in.

I hope someone is collating it somewhere to include as evidence in the eventual enquiry - what the brexiteers unleashed, how much it cost the tax payer, who the politicians chose to pander to ... There's dystopian history in those police records, it needs to be kept - it needs to go into a future history national curriculum. And maybe an economics one - the real cost of the right wing.

DGRossetti · 08/08/2019 21:25

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Basilpots · 08/08/2019 21:26

Stripey that’s awful I did see that the Police had put pictures of a couple of the thugs on Twitter to try and get them identified they had assaulted a Police officer. I hope you are feeling better now you are home.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/08/2019 22:56

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/08/08/must-close-pessimism-gap-boris-favourite-gerard-lyons-bank-england/

As Boris Johnson’s economic adviser while Mayor of London, and a Brexiteer to boot, Gerard Lyons is one of the favourites to succeed Mark Carney as Governor of the Bank of England.

Lyons insists that he has never been offered or promised any post by the new Prime Minister, or his Government, ^
but he’s a long-standing proponent of the “opportunities” of Brexit, and is said to be Mr Johnson’s “favourite economist”.

These attributes naturally support his candidacy.
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No-deal is "a stepping stone to a future mutually beneficial trading relationship," says Gerard Lyons

< He and Patrick Minford are basically founding / chief members of the (small & wildly optimistic) Economists for Brexit group.>

wherearemychickens · 08/08/2019 23:02

James Patrick is being very gloomy on Twitter again.

LonelyTiredandLow · 08/08/2019 23:10

BCF if they get the top spots at least no one will ever quote their predictions seriously again. Not that that will matter to them, minted as they will be.

TheElementsSong · 09/08/2019 07:40

So apparently Raaaaab wrote an article for the Canadian press. Strangely, there seems to be a dearth of BeLeaving amongst the Canadian public.

twitter.com/liquidfaerie/status/1159011391921172485?s=21

Myriade · 09/08/2019 07:48

Very late PMK

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2019 07:58

Otto English @Otto_english
Fuck off. And then fuck off again.

Boris Johnson thinks he's still at Eton. He thinks it's all such a jape, that you'll roll along with his whizz ideas and that it's all such a fucking wheeze. These public school clowns are two a penny and the country has fallen for it.

Trust me on this I went to a boarding school

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RedToothBrush · 09/08/2019 07:59

Otto English @Otto_english
Thanks to @RaelKlein who found the bus. It's from his mayoral campaign

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RedToothBrush · 09/08/2019 08:01

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/bookmakers-taking-bets-what-government-18861706.amp
Bookmakers are taking bets on what the Government will ration first after Brexit
Paddy Power will offer you 50/1 odds on gin supplies being restricted after October 31

Bookmakers Paddy Power are offering odds on what will be rationed first after Brexit.

The betting firm are offering 12/1 that food rationing will be officially introduced by the end of 2019.

And they're taking bets on what household items will be restricted first.

Fuel is the favourite, at 4/1, followed by Milk at 11/1.

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NoWordForFluffy · 09/08/2019 08:07

Yet the Leavers will still shout 'Project Fear' at every little announcement like the Paddy Power one.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/08/2019 08:23

We've had Government by Bullingdon - barring the mad May interlude - since 2010

The Bullingdon chickens are coming home to roost