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Westminstenders: Promises, promises

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RedToothBrush · 05/08/2019 23:26

Today polling showed that there was a majority in Scotland who support Independence. The 'Boris Bounce' really isn't universal. And this is a firm sign all is not well.

There is talk tonight that Johnson is planning to stay on as PM even if he loses a vote of no confidence in order to force No Deal through and prevent a government of national unity. Instead he would call a 'people v politicians' general election to be held shortly after we'd left the EU.

Johnson's willingness to defy parliament should not be discounted and should be taken seriously. Its highly likely in one way or another. No deal is technically illegal, but its also the default. This does not seem to be fully recognised by remainers. But this is a man who lied and continued to lie. And there is every sign that he would be willing to cause some sort of constitutional crisis. Especially if he really is like Trump. This is what authoritarians do - defy convention and rip up the rule book - because the powers that are suppose to hold them to account are too weak to hold them to account. Something that Johnson has already proved time and again. He has no respect for others.

All the signs are Johnson is in fully into campaigning for a GE already. He's touring the country and ignoring Europe. He's offering money for the NHS - its open to debate whether this is new money - the optics on this are all down to what you want to believe. Those who want Johnson will believe the promise; those who don't won't.

The penny hasn't fully dropped in parliament. There is talk of a vote of no confidence being called by Labour 'at the earliest opportunity' in September. The reality is its too little too late and is unlikely to work to have the desired effect and inside will play right into Johnson's plan. The failure of the Opposition to spot what he was likely to do, has been the story of the last 3 years, where Remainers have been reactionary and unable to anticipate what would happen next. Their lack of imagination and inability to look beyond their own rhetoric has been their undoing and may cost us all in the long run.

Meanwhile in Brussels, the EU unlike our Parliament have recognised the inevitability of no deal and if Johnson wants no deal there is no way to stop it. And that he has no inclination whatsoever to negotiate.

The expectation is still that the EU will have the backstop and the Brexit Bill of £39 billion as the requirement for the opening of trade talks if we no deal.

Which leaves up shit creek.

At the same time the new trade minister Liz Truss is full on libertarian and talking to the US with this in mind.

That would mean a bonfire of rights and standards which will horrify many. That means goodbye to workers rights, food standards and data protection.

The tech giants have the ears of Washington so British ideas of a tax on them are being seen as a block on a US trade deal.

It comes as the UK has joined a US coalition to protect ships in the Gulf - something we were originally given a snub against, and led to Jeremy Hunt saying we would join a European led force. Its not clear what, who or how the US uturn has come about...

Meanwhile our summer holidays are all getting more expensive... and this is just the start of it.

This is real. This isn't a bluff.

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Mistigri · 08/08/2019 15:13

Tbh I think the leavers posting elsewhere on the Brexit forum are now mostly shills as was the case pre referendum. If it's not a familiar name then the odds are that they are being paid to post. It's generally pretty obvious when someone is a genuine grassroots leaver as opposed to a political operative.

QueenOfThorns · 08/08/2019 15:16

I actually agree with Janista’s latest post. I think I need to go and lie down.

bellinisurge · 08/08/2019 15:30

@Janista knows jack shit because they are just playing a game of Risk sitting cheerfully in Australia.
[waves to @SingingBabooshkaBadly ]

Basilpots · 08/08/2019 15:41

Misti I’m still wondering what happened to the enthusiastic poster who managed to be the only voter in the entire country to manage to vote for the BXP during the May local elections....

BigChocFrenzy · 08/08/2019 15:44

Re slow burner:

2 weeks after No Deal, if Leavers are happily claiming Project Fear didn't happen, do NOT abandon your stockpile.
Instead, eat the oldest items and replace them
That stockpile may be needed within 6 weeks of No Deal, or it might be months

As I posted, it might even be we that imports are little disrupted - just more expensive -
so that it is exports and hence jobs, bankruptcies, Sterling crisis, balance of payments crisis that are the main problems.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/08/2019 15:45

basil Maybe they voted in the Uxbridge locals with BJ

Hazardtired · 08/08/2019 15:50

yeah japan looked on the positive side of the tsunami and made a success of it.

Just had to walk away from a fem chat thread that was linking gender self id'ing with people "self identifying into an illness". The world for those living with invisible illnesses just keeps getting better. Med shortages? Pahh just self id as healthy.

LonelyTiredandLow · 08/08/2019 15:55

My stockpile is thankfully full of things that are store cupboard - I've been working through some of them but saving most as they are "desperate" food (yes, delightful items such as Frey Bentos - with veg!). I need to update some of the school books as she goes up a year in Sept, although at least I can focus on spelling 1:1! Strangely she can spell all of her colours in French, but not English. I've no idea how that works Confused.

Parliament didn't get to have input into the WA; they were told where the 'red lines' were for TM and kept in the dark until the last minute, so desperate was she to make them sign up to her idea of Brexit. We don't know what their vision of Brexit was and probably never will, having squandered this extension putting a new PM into power that once again only a select few Tories voted for. We do know, however, that Parliament voted against No Deal. Of course that doesn't stop it happening but it does show the PM is willing to go against them for an advisory vote held over 3 years ago.

LouiseCollins28 · 08/08/2019 16:02

Not sure railways are good at U-turns but "U-turn if you want to" (sure someone important said that once) Grin

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49281776

LonelyTiredandLow · 08/08/2019 16:09

Looks like someone's had to step down on their pouting then! Glad to see the public reaction gets somewhere in some sectors (rail not being the usual one tbf!).

LouiseCollins28 · 08/08/2019 16:19

An industry more impervious to the views of its customers than trains in the UK.....erm, I'll get back to you....

tobee · 08/08/2019 16:32

But voting down the withdrawal agreement bill is a perfectly valid thing to do.

woman19 · 08/08/2019 16:39

Hundreds of people in Berlin came together three nights ago to sing the EU anthem "Ode to Joy

twitter.com/DeppendorfU/status/1158105046590066688

@wseuropa @SZukunftBerlin and
Wir sind auch Europa!

Wir Briten wollen echt mit unseren Continental-Freunden und -Partnern in der Europäischen Union bleiben

Herzliche Grüsse aus England!

Lovely to get greeetings from them to us. Smile

tobee · 08/08/2019 16:44

Yes, indeed woman. I expect well fart in their faces in return Confused. To really show our class.

prettybird · 08/08/2019 17:21

Scotland welcomes EU citizens. Smile

Westminstenders: Promises, promises
bellinisurge · 08/08/2019 17:31

Just had a lovely lunch in an Italian restaurant in Wales. Presume all the staff will have to get work visas because Johnson is too chicken to put legislation before Parliament to confirm the status of EU citizens.

woman19 · 08/08/2019 17:39

Smile prettybird soooo tempting.........

Motheroffourdragons · 08/08/2019 17:41

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StripeyChina · 08/08/2019 17:54

I rarely post as I don't have enough to add but I've been reading as ever and am grateful for all I learn from these threads and the posters.

But I did want to say that I had to travel to London at the weekend.
It is difficult for me as I am disabled and I suffered badly with my feet.
I had to go to St Thomas' A&E about my foot (they were excellent)

As I came out I turned onto Westminster Bridge by mistake.

Suddenly there were Police everywhere - concerned about two protest groups meeting head on, I think. We got 'kettled' along across the Bridge and it was nasty at Parliament square, so I trundled down Whitehall to find a McD's for coffee. Opposite was 'a Great British Pub' and outside of that was a chunk of the Free Yaxley Lennon lot.
I am an on double crutches disabled woman who is clearly tottery and I was almost barrelled over by some tattooed drunk white man with his shirt off screaming: 'we want our country back'. I glared at him and he said: 'fuck off you C*'. They hate everyone who is not like them.

It was terrifying. There were SO many tourists filming on their phones.
I sat and had my coffee and cried. I felt so scared, and so ashamed of what is happening, and so angry at the waste of resources on thugs.

Runningintothesunset · 08/08/2019 18:02

I spent 3 hours at work today wading through HMRC documents on deferring of VAT payments and postponed accounting methods in the result of a no-deal. And filling out MoJ surveys on how prepared my company is to deal with this shit-storm.

The phenomenal waste of time and money that the preparations are costing is really quite staggering. I had calmed down the proportion of my work-life dedicated to Brexit, it is definitely being ramped up again Sad

woman19 · 08/08/2019 18:03

So sorry you experienced this StripyChina .
This is happening most weekends in London and not being reported. These extreme right wing thugs are apparently not being arrested or prevented from doing this nearly every Saturday. There are a few brave #FBPE types who monitor these regular riots and post about them on SM, otherwise the public is not being informed about how dangerous and unpleasant Westminster is during these thugfests.

Hope you got back ok and your feet are feeling better. Flowers

woman19 · 08/08/2019 18:15

For future reference: the police advise not to engage to the ones who come during the week to Westminster: not to speak, look acknowledge etc, despite their aggression and goading. They are practised , probably paid, thugs.

They are apparently condoned, or worse, by the authorities.

Hazardtired · 08/08/2019 18:17

stripey that's awful I'm so sorry. You handled it really well by the sound of it. Flowers

bellinisurge · 08/08/2019 18:19

@StripeyChina that's horrible. I am certain that it is not the police enabling these twats. It probably makes sense not to make martyrs of them and let them have their public wank while keeping an eye on them (and, no doubt, photographing them). It's bloody dreadful that you experienced it.

StripeyChina · 08/08/2019 18:27

Sorry, I didn't mean to whinge.
I went on many a march as a youngster, (I am only 50 now, mind ;) went to Greenham Common, have been to recent protests,
so I'm not completely naive, but

I was horrified by the naked aggression and the sheer amount of Police (there were hundreds, plus I counted over 20 vans, then cars )
I think I possibly wasn't at the epicentre of it either.

I just wanted to apologise to the tourists and say: 'this ISN'T us!'

How can this be condoned by the authorities? really?