What happens with the NI border in the event of No Deal?

[Bearbehind]

I can’t get my head round this.

If we leave with no deal then what happens regarding the NI border?

[LynetteScavo]

@frozendaisy I think the person who can answer this question more than qualifies for the keys to Number 10!

[LynetteScavo]

@frozendaisy Brilliant!!!

[bellinisurge]

NI only backstop would work . Today. Tbe EU suggested it. We could push it and ask for NI to be a special economic zone.
Do I get to be Prime Minister?

[TiredTigger]

My guess is that the EU will set up a sea border and that the UK will follow (but not without protesting to the DUP that it is all the EU's fault as they were the first to implement the border).

[bellinisurge]

@TiredTigger , the EU cannot set up a sea border between NI and the UK

[TiredTigger]

@bellinisurge



Sorry, had a bit of a brain fail moment.

[bellinisurge]

S'ok. If we accept an NI only border (which I am cunningly renaming NI as special economic area ) we get a border in the sea . AND an undertaking to come up with some whizzo technology that keeps NI in tbe UK but eventually Brexit-ed (just at a slower but still orderly rate). Or not if a majority in NI vote to reunify with Ireland as stated in GFA.

[chocomug]

Brexit would be over with by now except for the DUP. You class NI as a special economic zone, out the checks at ports and airports.

The UK have let go of all claim to the North, as have Ireland, this is what the good Friday agreement was all about. There won't be a vote to reunify for at least a generation.

Rushing into referendums without the options laid bare in front of you leads to the kind of mess we're in now. Ireland wouldn't take back NI now anyway, it's forgotten by Westminster and it needs a lot of money to stay afloat, Ireland don't want to lay to clean up the mess that Westminster created.

[Howzaboutye]

A hoofing big wall.

[Howzaboutye]

Theres more roads crossing the Ire/NI border than the rest of the EU countries external borders put together.

Very funny Twitter account- the Irish border. It's great

[Howzaboutye]

Oh and the technology is all there. But who is going to pay for it?
About £3bn it would cost for a proper UK border system.

[Peregrina]

The UK have let go of all claim to the North,

How? It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

[Whoseagooddoggiethen]

And the GB part dont give a flying toss about NI. Lots of us Irish in Ireland also dont want reunification so NI is stuck really. There will sadly end up being a hard border again which is terrifying for all concerned. Not sure if we made it an Irish patrolled one rather than british patrolled would make it any better either.

[Bearbehind]

Brexit would be over with by now except for the DUP. You class NI as a special economic zone, out the checks at ports and airports.

It would be over because Scotland won’t accept being forced to leave when NI hadn’t.

[Bearbehind]

^^ Wouldn’t

[Oakenbeach]

Brexit would be over with by now except for the DUP. You class NI as a special economic zone, out the checks at ports and airports.

Even without the DUP there are enough Tory Brexit Ultras to have ensured TM’s deal failed.

[Oakenbeach]

How can control of an economic area be achieved without a border?

Exactly, it can’t.... which is (one of many reasons) why no-deal is so utterly irresponsible.

[MrsTerryPratchett]

What I can't understand, and want to, is why the DUP are voted for at all. Being a special economic area would be economically fantastic for NI, wouldn't it? Companies would have bases there, tax revenue, no violence blah blah.

So why do people vote for a party that actively works against their peace and prosperity?

[chocomug]

The UK have let go of all claim to the North,

How? It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The same way that Ireland let go of its claim on Northern Ireland. Have a Google on the good Friday agreement if you're not up on the details

[chocomug]

People vote for the DUP because they have no choice. N Ireland politics could easily fill several libraries but it all boils down to Unionist (Broadly speaking they're protestant and want to remain part of the UK ) vs. Nationalist (usually Catholic and want a united Ireland).

The vast majority of people in n. Ireland disagree with DUP policy but they DUP's entire election strategy boils down to if you don't vote for us then the nationalists will get elected and you don't want that.

Basically vote for us because the other crowd are scary and will take all your things etc etc

Nationalists also do this but it's very much one sided. The whole uk saw what a bunch of backward, knuckle dragging cave men the DUP actually are. They didn't even want Brexit bit because the UK government wanted it, suddenly the DUP wanted to also.

This is the DUP who don't want n. Ireland to be treated any differently than the rest of the UK. Except when it comes to same sex marriage, abortions and languages.

There's no logic to them.

[chocomug]

@Oakenbeach

The DUP are the reason for the ultras. None of them have a damn before the DUP steering making a scene and then it all became about the union.

Ado hard Brexit became no deal Brexit and soft Brexit became TM's agreement.

There is no other option available other than to treat NI differently.

[MrsTerryPratchett]

The vast majority of people in n. Ireland disagree with DUP policy but they DUP's entire election strategy boils down to if you don't vote for us then the nationalists will get elected and you don't want that.

If ever a place needed a third, moderate, sensible party... Well the whole of the UK does TBF.

[MindyStClaire]

There is MrsTerryPratchett, the Alliance party. They're a small party but doing extremely well at the minute. Their leader Naomi Long (a wonderful woman) won a seat in the European elections which was huge for them. They did well in the local elections too.

They won't topple the big two, but more and more people are drifting their way.

[prettybird]

Karen Bradley, as Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, expressed surprise on learning that voters in NI tended to vote along sectarian lines

If English WM politicians are that incredibly and inexcusably ignorant when they have responsibility for NI - what hope does the UK (as it currently stands) have?

Hence why the need for the NI border with the EU came as such a "surprise"

[GiantKitten]

Similar to Raab’s surprise on discovering how much food etc enters the UK at Dover.

Being entirely ignorant of the world beyond their own bubble seems to be a prerequisite for Tory ministers in the 21st century