Germany's economy in freefall

[urbanlife]

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/25/german-economy-free-fall-exhausted-draghi-loses-magic/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

So leaving on WTO terms looks like a very sound choice. Germany props up the entire EU superstate pretty much.

I for one am feeling much more optimistic by the day.

The GFA also requires parity of rights north and south

I get that bit.

Divergence from EU rights in the north will also contravene the GFA

This bit is less clear. As UK is an EU member it has had to comply with EU rights since it joined the union in 1973, 46 years ago. Why after leaving EU would the UK drop the standards it has been following for the last 40+ years? ie how would the GFA be contradicted in UK rights mirror EU legislation anyway and those in ROI and NI are on an equal footing?

Maybe I have missed something?

@urbanlife

Goes to credibility, m’lud.

So you had no sources you can name for the accusation of corruption that you’ve made against Remain MPs?

You say you’ve been at this for four years. Surely you’ve got a massive repository of evidence now. If you have evidence that MPs are working against the national interest for their own gain you should release it to the newspapers. What is stopping you?

smile sorry to disappoint but that just won’t wash. There are not eighteen million hard nationalists or even eighteen hundred. Most Brexiteers are gentle, hardworking individuals looking to the future actually.

I have provided evidence for every single one of my claims already, no need to repeat.

four long years of my ‘sources’,

Is that an admission of formal involvement in the leave campaign?

Because surely a relevelation on the scale of, I dunno Darren Grimes and Vote Leave’s criminal acts but on the Remain side would be a massive coup for you and Leave supporters.

It would change people’s minds who are wavering over Leaving to see that their MPs don’t have their interests at heart and are just lining their own pockets- like, for example Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Chris Grayling.

The thread had derailed. So getting back to my point. Do we feel the EU in their rear mirrors seeing a looming recession will be more reasonable or are we leaving on WTO?

My view currently is leaving on WTO. Least of all because a free trade agreement can be done later down the line.

misti 😂 no I have never been part of the leave campaign! Although I kind of wish I had given they all been doing offered excellent jobs in government now 🤩

Sales of new cars has plummeted after the emissions con and the present debate on electric cars. That must affect German car mNufacturing hugely.
The EU has negotiated a zero tariff deal with Japan so there is no tax on importing Japanese cars- can't imagine Germany is that happy about that.
Unfortunately, Also wipes out aNY advantage to Nissan of manufacturing in SunderlNd.

I have provided evidence for every single one of my claims already

No. You haven’t. You are inviting distrust in out elected, sovereign parliament and our representatives without any basis. If you have a story that big then publish it.

But trying to whittle down the public’s trust in those who represent us through unfounded claims is actually quite unpatriotic and destabilising.

One might assume that you only support parliamentary democracy when it suits you. Where have I heard that accusation before?

But you are making assertions like you are an expert and have inside knowledge. I’d like to know your sources.

Ditto. So far your admitted sources are newspaper headlines (of articles that you probably haven't even read).

I think one of the obstacles that these boards face is that no-one working in a relevant professional job is allowed to identify themselves even obliquely on any form of social media. Google and headlines are pretty much the only tool to substantiate anything.

belle you do know I am not the prime minister? Nor do I work for the government past or present i any capacity currently. I am a working professional like everyone else.

Those still supporting remain may sit quietly and reflect on their current position, things are changing and the world order is shifting.

This time, on this occasion you are, I believe, you are on the wrong side of history.

But trying to whittle down the public’s trust in those who represent us through unfounded claims is actually quite unpatriotic and destabilising.

Kinda sums up this whole mess and the reasons why we are where we are in my opinion.

@urbanlife

Good try. I’m not getting distracted. You are inciting distrust in parliamentary procedure and MPs without any evidence. Do you deny it?

Nor do I work for the government past or present i any capacity currently. I am a working professional like everyone else.

I didn’t say you were. You seem touchy on this.

What is your profession?

smile there is no need for a rehash agreed, after all leave won.
I came on to discuss the economic reality in the Euro zone.

What is clear is that these threads seem to be mainly for remainers going through the grief cycle, and they will only ever respond with decency to those that agree with them.

God help anyone that comes on with a different view, as they recoil in horror at the 18 million that came to a different conclusion to them.

It’s very very disturbing.

Sales of new cars has plummeted after the emissions con and the present debate on electric cars. That must affect German car mNufacturing hugely.

German car sales YTD: +0.5%

That's a funny sort of plummeting.

I don’t know how you have the brass neck to say leave destabilised the country, when remain have done nothing but overthrow centuries old parliamentary rules, and have done nothing but frustrate the democratic process of our departure.

No one ever reveals what they do for a profession on here, why should I? It has nothing to do with Brexit, and it really isnt that interesting to be fair! 😂

I don’t know what your whistle means, but China is gaining power. Russia is too, and we are and will soon be getting used to more of this. Yes in the last sixty years we have got used to a US dominated world order, but that will probably not continue. Realignment is well overdue. Not sure what you are alluding to smile but I am talking about China.

Only read first few posts

'But if, as you purport the EU economy is fucked as a consequence, why would you be gleeful about that. If the EU economy is fucked our biggest'

Not to mention millions and millions of people across europe having life get much harder.

Hooray?