Germany's economy in freefall

[urbanlife]

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/25/german-economy-free-fall-exhausted-draghi-loses-magic/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

So leaving on WTO terms looks like a very sound choice. Germany props up the entire EU superstate pretty much.

I for one am feeling much more optimistic by the day.

need to provide 'links' as "evidence" to substantiate any opinion expressed on this 'parenting' forum is almost enough to drive many people towards Leave - just to get it over and done with.

It used to be much more standard on MN than it is now. You can still find that standard of discussion on MN, but it’s much less prevalent since the demographic changed.

That being said, there is a difference between backing up your facts/opinion with evidence and spamming threads with shot loads of links.

The EU have been working since May 2017 to try to ensure that medical supplies are not disrupted. They are confident they are mitigating any problems. Where problems still occur companies can apply for temporary exemptions.

Wouldn’t it be nice if our own government had got their arse in gear to try and ensure it too?

Hazardtired
Do either of you have that medication stockpile list I've been asking about for a year?

The more sensible advice would be for each patient to speak to their own doctor/and or pharmacist/or health charity;

The Epilepsy Society publishes information for example;

27 June 2019 Gov announces further measures for medicine supplies in case of no-deal Brexit.

"The Government has announced further measures to ensure there will be an uninterrupted supply of medicines if the UK leaves the European Union without a deal on 31 October."

"A Government spokesperson stressed that leaving the EU with a deal remains its priority, but said it has enhanced its 'no deal' arrangements with two additional measures to secure freight with the capacity to enable a continued supply of medications."

"The two-part plan includes:"
"An express freight service to transport small medical supplies into the UK on a 24 hour basis.This is being led by the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC)and will be a response to any urgent need or where a supplier's own plans experience disruption."

"Additional 'roll-on, roll-off' freight capacity to support plans by suppliers to re-route their supply chains away from the channel short straits. This is being led by the Department of Transport and will prioritise medicines and medical products."

"These extra measures are in addition to those put in place by the DHSC ahead of the original Brexit deadline of 29 March.The plans are designed to remove the need for any stockpiling at a local level which could cause medicine shortages and put patient care at risk."

www.epilepsysociety.org.uk/news/Gov-announces-further-measures-medicine-supplies-no-deal-Brexit-27-06-2019#.XT1fN9FK2Uk

Brexit contingency plans for epilepsy medications from pharmaceutical companies

Long list of medications here;
www.epilepsysociety.org.uk/contingency-plans-epilepsy-medications-case-no-deal-brexit#.XT1fmNFK2Uk

The more sensible advice would be for each patient to speak to their own doctor/and or pharmacist/or health charity;

The more sensible advice would be for the Government to at least make a readily available list for GPs. They have enough work to do as it is without each patient asking whether they will get their medication and the GP having to read the long screed which Clavinova has helpfully cut and pasted for one medical condition, for each medical condition, each time.

Peregrina
*"A more serious example:my DS works in scientific research.A Portuguese colleague and a Spanish one immediately upped and left. He works with a German colleague who used to be a neighbour of his in England but left a little before him.My son has now joined the German colleague.Fact not cut and paste from someone who has no first hand knowledge."^

The fact is that a lot of researchers move from place to place, country to country anyway, which is why universities are concerned about free movement of academics/scientists - research projects are often short-term and collaboration allows researchers to spend a few months in other locations.Has your son worked in Europe before, or is this his first experience of working abroad?

The advice from everyone including the EU is not to stockpile.

There is no way of knowing that this stage which medicines could be in short supply so it’s impossible for the Government to issue a list.

The more sensible advice would be for the Government to at least make a readily available list for GPs.

Drug availability varies from month to month, unaffected by Brexit - I expect GPs/pharmacists follow the normal procedures.

Hmmm, let's see, stockpile if possible=live, don't stockpile=die, which would you do?

Stockpiling causes worse problems but clearly some people don’t care about that.

@howwudufeel really, worse problems than dying?

bellinisurge
Impressive out Clavinova-ing Clavinova ListeningQuietly

I thought you didn't bother reading links? Some of LQ's links are about Brexit 'preparedness' - not Brexit 'disaster', e.g;

RSC;
"If the UK leaves the EU without a deal, the UK government will underwrite current grants held by UK participants in EU research and innovation funding programmes, including Horizon 2020 and ongoing Framework 7 programmes, to ensure these projects can continue."

As for the CBI;

"Voters are right to be suspicious of the motives of the CBI (which claims to represent British businesses, but does not disclose its membership list–or where those companies are registered), which thinks that the longer a full Brexit is delayed, the longer they have to try and stay inside the EU."

"It is not surprising the CBI wants the UK to stay as closely tied to the EU as possible.Since 2009, the CBI has received huge sums in funding from the European Commission, making up a fifth of its total post-tax income; in return, loyally supporting Britain’s EU membership."

That's funny. I keep applying for (& getting) university research jobs where i am literally the only qualified applicant. We don't get deluged with applicants.

My German PhD student couldn't get out of UK fast enough seeing how Brexit is shaping up. She feels so unwelcome. Her work has been called ground-breaking. She'll take it elsewhere.

We can't feasibly apply for EU grants because we can't make any assurances to potential EU partners about what UK position / terms with EU will be going forward (the terms might turn out to be impossible).

If public sector finances dive then my proposed 4 yr contract extension will evaporate. My other job is NHS but that's also public sector fund dependent...

It's ok. I can go chop caulflowers off stalks in local factory, instead. Just seems a waste of skills.

Eyes down and get your bingo cards and dabbers ready! First call is "stockpiling causes problems."

lljkk's European Arrest Warrant link is alarming - revealing that in 2015/16 - other EU states requested the arrest of 14,279 suspects who had fled to Britain (up from 1,865 in 2004) - apparently allowed into the UK under free movement of people - whilst 241 UK suspects were hiding out in Europe - wanted for questioning by us.That doesn't seem a fair exchange-free movement of people has its downsides.

Nice one @Bercows . It's only fair, though, that we summon the Bingomeister @TheElementsSong !

In the med supply chain some come via us to the rest of the EU so yes the EU is very prepared for no deal and getting the stock they need from us out.

It's our prep that's the problem. Hence why companies were told to stockpile at least 6 weeks worth of life saving drugs....the problem is there is no list available of what they are stockpiling.

The guide is essential life saving meds so what are those?

Can we see a list?

If the people working at the ports, driving the cargo, at the distribution centres take something none esstential which enables them to work who will be covering their absence given that there is no indication that work enabling meds will be stockpiled?

I am not a detail orientated person and even I can see there is something wrong here.

So I wish to see a list....

MedSchoolRat
My German PhD student couldn't get out of UK fast enough seeing how Brexit is shaping up.She feels so unwelcome.

That's odd.
May 2019 UK and German universities joined forces to host an innovative showcase that shone a spotlight on the vital partnerships that exist between British and German academia.

"Held at the British Embassy in Berlin as part of a collaboration between BUILA and its German counterpart DAIA, the showcase explored themes contributing to key European priorities where partners are collaborating at the cutting edge of science and technology and education."

"Vice-Chancellor of the University of Liverpool and president of Universities UK Janet Beer said that irrespective of the outcomes of Brexit, “universities in the UK are committed to continuing their deep-rooted and often ground-breaking academic collaborations with German and European academic institutions and companies”.

thepienews.com/news/uk-german-unis-showcase-research-collaborations/

How strange that we get a racist liar as prime minister, he packs his cabinet with a series of breathtakingly incompetent, serially ignorant and unpleasant individuals who in any other line of work would have been over and done with long ago, and the leavers of mumsnet find their voices again. How strange.

None of your arguments have improved and the response to overwhelming disagreement with your views is complaints that you're being bullied and patronised. It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

@bellinisurge I was tempted to summon her myself as I automatically think of her whenever I hear any brexit bingo comments Of course the supermarkets are empty now because of our stockpiling earlier in the year. My local Asda has been devoid of baked beans since January and no where near me has any tinned potatoes. Bloody remainers and their sensible approach causing all these shortages

Jason if more people die or suffer then need to them yes, that is worse.

Bercows Are you saying that stockpiling medicines won’t cause problems?

The options available for people on meds are 1. Try to get hold of as much as you can, or 2. Trust the government. I think this qualifies as the definition of a 'no brainer'.

Also, because when it comes to matters of life and death, strangely, people get selfish.

@Bercows - no where near me has any tinned potatoes.

A lack of tinned potatoes can only be a good thing surely? Sounds vile.

All sensible people will dig out a root cellar where you can store them for months Grin]