Germany's economy in freefall

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www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/25/german-economy-free-fall-exhausted-draghi-loses-magic/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

So leaving on WTO terms looks like a very sound choice. Germany props up the entire EU superstate pretty much.

I for one am feeling much more optimistic by the day.

The referendum was marginally won for leave on the back of lies ,half truths and breaches of electoral law. The driver for it now is a hard right cabal who want to destroy workers rights and the protections ( aka regulations) enjoyed by ordinary people, ie those who are not multi millionaires and which were fought for for decades. This includes universal healthcare free at the point of need.

Take a look at "Britannia unchained" written by Patel, Raab and Kwasi Karteng amongst others. They have absolute contempt for normal people.

Human rights will go very soon too. And how about quick and easy trade, research grants and cooperation, easy to work and holiday abroad, good quality food and goods? Are you glad that so many companies and professional workers are leaving the UK? That so many EU nurses and doctors have already left, leaving a massive shortage?

That the UK has suffered a massive drop in its influence, in Europe and globally?

There will be huge pressure to push the border into the Irish sea.

Yes, I think they will be bought off. It will be expensive.

They = the DUP.

Peregrina

£100m per week, £200m per week on the 'side of the bus' would have had exactly the same effect.

Given the loss of trade (with the EU) and the impact on our economy in a no deal scenario, what should have been written on the side of that bus is "Less money for the NHS" would that have had the same affect?

Remember, Johnsons spending plans mean more borrowing and/or tax increases, a lot more.

If Labour had suggested this amount of spending, you'd have been up in arms over this irresponsible course of action, posting numerous links as to why too lol!

I was expecting you to tell me which MPs had lied about being Leavers when they were secret Remainers, Clavinova - not tell me non-sequiturs about figures on the sides of a bus.

I was expecting you to tell me which MPs had lied about being Leavers when they were secret Remainers, Clavinova

I said they lied about honouring the result of the referendum, not how they voted in it.

Remember, Johnsons spending plans mean more borrowing and/or tax increases, a lot more.

I have already posted The Times March 2019;
"ample room to end austerity this year after banking £30 billion in lower borrowing forecasts"

Some MPs lied - quite a few of them actually.

Is what you actually wrote. Forgive me if I didn't read the bit in invisible ink.

If enough of them had voted for WA we would be out by now.
Who's fault is that?
Or if TM has drawn her red line at an NI only backstop, we would be out by now. Who's fault is that?

I also wrote;
"The Conservatives, DUP and Labour all campaigned on a 'leave' manifesto in 2017".

Or if TM has drawn her red line at an NI only backstop, we would be out by now. Who's fault is that?

That goes directly back to TM. If she'd not called an election (to stick it to Labour) and then lost her majority, I think she would happily have thrown the DUP under the bus.

@Clavinova - "ample room to end austerity this year after banking £30 billion in lower borrowing forecasts"

That just means they borrowed less than anticipated!

But you still haven't given me a list of MPs who voted for legislation which would show that they supported Remain. You can assume that 11 out of then 12 LibDems did. One then resigned the LibDem whip because he'd promised his constituents that he would support Leave. I don't see any list of Leave voters resigning so that they could vote for Remain.

So it's back to the question - these people were voted in. If they are predominantly pro-Romain then that must be what their constituents wanted.

Johnsons tax cuts & NI changes alone are around £20billion....year on year and the head room was supposed to be for a no deal spending.

The other pledges come to £9 billion and thats before we even get to the the no-deal planning he has also promised nor the cost of fibre broadband rollout nationwide.

They are unaffordable, of course he knows this but his supporters won't care, like you Clav, they will lap it up without question.

Peregrina
The Conservative Party said they would;
◾Be prepared to walk away from talks: "No deal is better than a bad deal" for one;
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39665835

As you are here - I forgot to post this a few weeks ago - I thought it might interest you (although I think you were referring to poll results, not actual results);

"2014 EU warns against early publishing of election results."
"The prohibition has been reasserted this year after a misunderstanding between the Commission and The Netherlands at the last election in 2009."

www.politico.eu/article/commission-prohibits-early-publishing-of-election-results/

They are unaffordable, of course he knows this but his supporters won't care, like you Clav, they will lap it up without question.

Like Corbyn's promises then!

I was referring to exit poll results, not actual results.

It always surprises me when the Americans start announcing the exit poll results, long before the polls have closed on the west coast or Hawaii.

I was referring to exit poll results, not actual results
Oh, yes, I omitted the word 'exit' from my post.

Corbyn isn't part of the Government, so what he promises is just a sales pitch, and caveat emptor should apply.

Theresa May also said, 'Brexit means Brexit and we intend to make a success of it'. Something which she manifestly failed to do. I do however think that her party have treated her extremely shabbily and will indulge Johnson a lot more.

Labours spending plans have been costed and do not have to include billions wasted on no-deal planning, so no nothing like Labours at all.

Keep up at the back please!

I thought the tories were supposed to be the party of economic prudence, so surprising that you make such a direct comparison with Labour.

So it's back to the question - these people were voted in. If they are predominantly pro-Romain then that must be what their constituents wanted

Voted in 2017 on the basis of their manifesto pledges which was to honour the result of the 2016 referendum.

MPs, as individuals, are entitled to vote like everyone else. However, if their constituencies think differently they are not permitted to ignore. Sadly that protocol is not being followed and there are still many MPs who think the referendum can be pushed aside.

As the actor, John Rhys Davis (Indiana Jones Movies), pointed out on question time the primary duty of MPs and government is to preserve democracy.